Homosexuality in your game

[colazocker13]

Okay, so this thread might not be for everyone on here, but I really wanted to make one like this before.

So, I seriously don't know what's wrong with me (if there acutally is something wrong) but the homosexuality in my game increased a LOT since the last times I've played the game. The husbands of my families cheat on their wives with other men, their daughters flirt with other girls, and I make my children BFF with other sims of their gender very early to make them fall in love with them when they are teenagers.

Who else is just hooked on making their sims fall in love with someone else of the same gender? I know I am! :lol:

[julmoo]

It's your game and you can play it however YOU want.
Nobody should be able to say "No I don't like the way you play, do something else"

In my game I have reaaaaaally few homosexuals. Right now I'm playing a Megahood and I'm trying to marry everyone off somehow. I just love genetics. I LOOOOVE them.
So many babies. I love babies. I'd have a million babies irl if I had a boyfriend xD

ANYWAY

I have a few characters that seem to hate everyone and cannot get with any of the guys. These would be Florence Delarosa and Tara Kat.
I'll make a lesbian couple of them that has a ton of cats and they might have a baby...or two.

In my game science has so far approached that men can get pregnant too, for a small fee, so there's no excuse! <.<

Right now a lot of girls seem to be born, so maybe the next generation will see a lot of lesbians :D

[Simsica]

Just recently I've increased the GLB population in my hood up to 20% - 20% gay, 20% bi and 60% straight, that's the census.

Before, when I played single families, I had very few non-straight Sims. Not that I didn't want them or anything like that, just skipped my mind. But ever since I've been playing whole hoods, the gay and bi people are there, making each at least 10% of population. And my oppinions on sexuality changed in general in the meantime. I've realized the relevance of the issue, the importance of it.
It's been a great tool to introduce my neice to the subject of genders and sexuality, btw. Watching me play, she's come in contact with the issue in a different light. I've been shocked to learn that she already "knows" that homo/bi-sexuality is a disease - apparently she heard it in kindergarten. Can you imagine? But the cool aunt with the pretty Sims is a bigger influence, at least for now. I'm happy to report that she considers it disease no more :)

[labellavienna]

I have 0 gay people in my neighborhoods, I do have several transgender couples though (my best friend is a transgender ftm) but that is about it. I play with elements that are familiar to me...but mostly I play with straight couples, which get boring I guess.

[Katya Stevens]

I use ACR and randomise a sim's gender preference (10% bi, 10% gay currently, but it is seeming quite low in my opinion). I don't obsess over same-sex couples, but I do have some couples (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Katya_Stevens/Cresdale/familyvanderpol2.jpg) I adore (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Katya_Stevens/Angelos%20Town%204/7996.jpg) -- aside from one of my 'hoods, I have same sex pregnancy enabled so I can see how the genes mix and get passed down.

[dieKristina]

My gay population is currently around 20 % and all of those couples are male-male. I kinda prefer to play male sims, which probably is the reason why it´s so very rare with lesbian couples in my game. Since I prefer males, I sometimes do the quit without saving to assure that a generation doesn´t get more girls than boys and I mostly end up with a lot more boys than girl, and because I normally only allow marrige between playables it´s very "practical" to make some of the boys gay. I also tend to want at least one guy in a family and not all being girls (that easily bores me). All being males is something I gladly accept though... For some reason I tend to get get more attached to my gay sims than to the straight ones, so being gay is actually something very desirable in my game. :)

[Peni Griffin]

It's only boring if you're bored, and the great thing is, if you do get bored, you can change it whenever you want.

I've had gay sims since I started playing Sims1. One of my oldest unsatisfied family concepts is the County family. The idea is that all the people in it would be given the names of familiar US counties. The thing is, I want one named Bear (since I live in Bexar County, pronounced Bear), which is also an American gay subcultural term for a burly, hairy man, so it's always been obvious to me that the County family was founded by a gay couple, Bear and Guthrie - Guthrie County being where my parents grew up. I've got an endless supply of names for this surname - Medina, Guadalupe, Dade, Dallas, Tarrant - but in Sims1 I always had to wait on the baby call so Bear and Guthrie could adopt, and I never got it more than twice before I stopped playing the neighborhood for whatever reason. And I didn't want to build them with six existing kids - I wanted them to have the babies to raise.

So during my experimental phase in Sims2, I built Bear, Guthrie, and toddler Medina in CAS when I was ready to experiment with the toddler phase and find out how adoption worked. Bear looked like a refugee from a blaxploitation flick, wanted to be Captain Hero, and quickly got employed in his chosen career field - which was even more perfect, as in 70s trucker slang, a "bear" was a highway patrolman. Guthrie was my first really good CAS facial creation, an earnestly geeky buzz-cut Family sim who actually looked like belonged in the green plaid shorts. I had a great time raising Medina with them, but it took forever for Bear, working alone, to save up enough simoleans for the adoption call to be successful. And then the social worker brought them a toddler named Amin. There is no Amin County anywhere in the US! So it looked as though I still couldn't carry out this concept to my own satisfaction, and I got sulky and went and tried another experiment.

Now that I know how to seed the adoption pool, I could do this; but of course now I've got a fully engaging hood that has to be forcibly restrained from growing too big; but I doubt I'll play Drama Acres forever, and maybe I'll still get this done.

I don't have as many gay sims as I could, though two of my core sims and two of the four CAS students I made to start out were built gay. The genetics + my reluctance to install an mpreg mod tempts me to turn all my teens into breeders. I've spent hours of regret for how carelessly I made the handsomest male core sim the gay one! However, I now have enough teens with my favorite genes to spare some, plus learning how to do artificial insemination, loosens me up on the subject. A couple of lesbian Romance sims and a gay male Pleasure sim are doing their part to establish dormies and townies as homoerotic. I've been joking about my run of girls as The Generation of Lesbians for awhile now, but so far of the ones who've flirted or been flirted all are straight, partly due to overlapping with teen male Romance sims born just prior to the run of girls.

I'm not going to make any attempt to keep up with proportions - too much math! - but I am keeping most of my randomly rolled turn-ons for this generation. Anybody who rolls a turn-on for makeup or fatness for the next little while will be attracted to females (because fat females look hot but fat males are just hard to dress), and anybody who rolls a turn-on for facial hair or fitness will be attracted to males (because I make a self-indulgent effort to keep my male sims fit and put facial hair on almost all of them). And people who have compatible star signs born within two days of them will be oriented toward the gender of the compatible star sign, though a match is not guaranteed. And if there's two compatible star-signs of different genders in that age range, or someone rolls both a "male" and a "female" turn-on - well, I'll burn those bridge when I get to them.

[ella_in_wonderland]

I have one gay family out of four (yes, I only have 4 families)...I LOVE THEM <3

[beafish123]

When I first got the game, I didn't play same-sex couples at all. I played a lesbian couple not too long after I got the game, but I was scared my mom (or dad, but I usually tell him what happens in my game whether he'll approve or not) would find out and think I was weird so I ended up killing one of them and marrying the other to a man. They were one of my favorite couples when I did play them. I think later that year (probably summer between 7th and 8th grade) one of my friends told me she was bi(about a year after my class decided we *must* be a couple :wtf: ). That was probably when I started playing Chloe Singles and Gvaudoin Tricou as a couple. I very rarely played gay couples though, I don't remember why I didn't or why I did start playing them but I do. Recently I've decided to just let ACR decide who's gay and who's straight.

[The SimWhisperer]

For the most part, I prefer straight Sims for the genetics. However, I'm playing the Ottomas Family for the first time, and have decided they all will be gay. I don't want to pass down those genetics! Although, if the family grows on me, I may change my mind...I do have the Sim Blender, so I still could make them gay, and have babies with their partner.

Just to add something. I'ved made Dora Ottomas bi, and she lives with Herb and Coral Oldie, and shes kissed both of them so far, so loves all around in that household! I also made Nina bi, and she's now a family/romance Sim, and she's in love with Brandi (Jean)- so I can tell her apart from Brandi Broke) Le Tourneuo-I know that's wrong! :faceslap:

I have started on the Ottomas kids path of homosexuality with David (now known as PJ) involved with Alex Goth, and with the new twins Dory and Manny's genes being revealed :cry: , they will continue the path! And just to finish it off, I will let Dora have her LTW of having six grandchildren, just because it's entertaining! :Pint:

[McChoclatey]

I play with gay Sims all the time! Except for lesbians, though, there's very few of them...

I mainly like gay couples, and usually create a female Sim to act as a surrogate if I want a Sim's genes to pass down. If a family has multiple children, then one can be gay and the others can be straight, and if a family has only one child, they can be gay, depending on whether or not I want them to spread their genes.But if I like the Sim enough when he's older, he gets a surrogate, or he can just adopt.

[Fivey]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/swallowmeup/ItsAGayWorldAfterAll.png

I let ACR decide the orientation of my sims, though some of them I could already guess their sexuality as children. Most of my hood is straight, in the long run. Middleground is a very open community, given that my legacy founder was a bisexual Romance sim.

[maxon]

Interesting (as ever) Peni. When I started playing TS1, it seemed obvious to me that the Roomie girls were lesbians and I played them accordingly. It's gone on from there. I partner sims up with whoever seems to fit. No idea what Little Carping's LGBT score is but it ain't zero (for any of the categories).

[SingleClawDesigns]

I put the sims blender on a 2 (first one right after last 1 when moving the bar up) for gay% then randomize on high for whole hood which makes it more or less 50/50. Those who get straight/gay low are bi until they find the one and then it's decided from there. Alot of the townies come out as gay so it's more interesting then to see who to pair up the straight singles with when the availability isn't what it once was. No more pulling first person off the street. And my gay sims always have babies no adoption basically because I would like the genes spread a bit more efficiently then getting whatever monstrosity comes spitting out of the adoption car.

[Simsica]

Good news, everyone! Sim science has advanced so much that now even the same sex couples can have progeny! ;)

[funkygirl147]

Before I reinstalled on my new computer, I had very few homosexual sims. One pair was Pascal Curious and Nervous Subject and the other pair was a CAS teen with a townie named Kendal Lawson (I had to look up her name :P). Now I have none, but I'll make some in the future.

[Yazoo]

I have more gay couples than anything. Surely, I do have some straight couples here and there. But MOST are gay. >.> In fact I have a lesbian couple that has four kids. 3 Daughters and 1 Son. >.>

[mirjamsim2love]

Up until now I don't have gay couples in my small hamlet with seven families. There is a chance that at some point I am going to try that out. The point is that besides installing ACR in my game I didn't change anything on it yet. There is still a lot to find out about everything. :)

[DigitalSympathies]

I really don't care in the long-term about my sim's orientations. They like who they like, see. I just let ACR decide for me. For example. Sid Roseland hooked up with his friend and neighbour, and I let the two adopt a little boy and girl. (I have a lot of sims that need adopting in my town due to my no-birth-control rule instituted by a dice-roll when I started my 'hood up.)

They can get married, adopt and foster kids, and have the exact same lives and opportunities as the straight simmies (I don't allow mpreg, I want to keep it realistic, unless the sim is transgendered - I usually go through a surrogate if they're a gay couple, or a sperm donor if they're lesbians).

I think that that's only fair - and that's exactly how it should be. Everybody gets the same opportunities, regardless.

For example, my heiress, Claire, is married to Germanium, her wife. Claire, who's adopted, was always a lesbian, and after the death of her childhood lover at university, she slept with a man on vacation and got pregnant with her physically disabled son Cadrie. Cadrie is my heir. Claire and Germanium also have two babies, who were conceived through in-vitro, and they are raising Alecia, Claire's baby sister who was born to her mother when she was an elder. I don't exclude ANYBODY from heirship in my town because of orientation, physical or mental illness (I have mods), or if they are biological or not. Because what really matters is who they are in their hearts, their actions, etc.

[krustyismyname]

Right now I only have 1 gay family, but I only have 3 families right now. My favorite sims family is-and probably always will be- A gay couple, Dave and Derek Fletcher. They're married and have 3 kids, but so far I've only just had them get married and they only have 1 child. I just started playing thsims again, so I haven't made many families yet. Some sims I plan to make will be bi, gay, or at least a little curious. Last time I played I made a family that was YAOI spelled backwards. They were all men and they all walked around in their underpants, they were all buff, and they were all having relations with each other. EzioxLeonardo, ShaunxDesmond, MalikxAltair. That was fun. :lol:

[Simsica]

I don't exclude ANYBODY from heirship in my town because of orientation, physical or mental illness (I have mods), or if they are biological or not. Because what really matters is who they are in their hearts, their actions, etc.

What really matters, DS, is that you immediately tell me what mental illness mods you're talking about. :heyhey: I want them.
They must be from some adult site, right?

[lil_princess_of_evil]

I have ACR, but I don't use it to determine my sims orientation. I generally just let them all become bi as they become teen and up and let them decide on who they have the most lightning bolts with, unless the story calls for otherwise. My population is mostly heterosexual couples right now, but I foresee that changing as it grows.

[Willow's Tara]

I do have quite a bit homosexual couples in my games, probably the same amount of straights really, although I will be honest, there are more lesbians then gays which I cannot explain why, since I support homosexuality. And since I have a mod that allows same sex couples to have babies then the genetics still pass on (I would like to see the bloodline continue rather adopt really).

[justeffingpeachy]

... One of my oldest unsatisfied family concepts is the County family. The idea is that all the people in it would be given the names of familiar US counties...

This is an amazing idea, and I totally want to steal it for my next legacy family.


Anyways, I'd say a little over half of my Sims 2 families are lesbians. One of my first and favorite couples was Brandi Broke and Nina Caliente, which still seems kind of weird. But they were very sweet together and adopted like 8 kids.

In Sims 3 I almost never play gay couples. I don't know why I play them so differently, but I do. Maybe because I think ladies are prettier in the Sims 2?

[May93]

My game is very gay...my current randomizer is set 35% gay, 40 % bi, but I can go against that if I want to.
I mostly play gay female sims.

I have 0 gay people in my neighborhoods, I do have several transgender couples though (my best friend is a transgender ftm) but that is about it. I play with elements that are familiar to me...but mostly I play with straight couples, which get boring I guess.

How do you do that? (really, I want transgender sims in my game, I just don't see how it would be possible)

[Saturnfly]

I do it when it feels right, and sometimes ACR does it for me.

[Willow's Tara]

This is an amazing idea, and I totally want to steal it for my next legacy family.


Anyways, I'd say a little over half of my Sims 2 families are lesbians. One of my first and favorite couples was Brandi Broke and Nina Caliente, which still seems kind of weird. But they were very sweet together and adopted like 8 kids.

In Sims 3 I almost never play gay couples. I don't know why I play them so differently, but I do. Maybe because I think ladies are prettier in the Sims 2?

OMG that's what I did with my current, or old Pleasantview (Don't remember which). After Nina had somebody's else kid she married Brandi XD, that's funny haha.

[julmoo]

in my first versions of Pleasantview Brandi often married Nina or Dina as well xD
Let's say one thing: Dina wasn't thrilled at all :D

Yeah how do you guys do transgender Sims? That sounds cool.

[Vladora]

My guess as far as the transgendered thing is changing the Sim's "act as" to male or female with Sim PE. I think this will only change the Sims voice and animations to the opposite gender. The rest would probably be CC. Feminine hairstyles, dresses, and make-up for MTF. Facial hair, masculine hairstyles, and what-not for FTM.

As far as homosexuality in my game goes... Well, a lot of my Pleasure and Romance Sims are bi since it widens the dating pool a lot. Family Sims and anyone else I'm wanting to breed are generally straight since I dislike adoption, same sex or alien pregnancies in my game. Anyone else, if I don't have a clear idea of them, I use the randomize feature on the ACR controller.

[M.M.A.A.]

My guess as far as the transgendered thing is changing the Sim's "act as" to male or female with Sim PE. I think this will only change the Sims voice and animations to the opposite gender. The rest would probably be CC. Feminine hairstyles, dresses, and make-up for MTF. Facial hair, masculine hairstyles, and what-not for FTM.


Mootilda did a tutorial on how to change a sim's gender, outside and inside.

[RowenaLupin]

I think I have an equal amount in every hood I have ever made. I like a little spice and a little variety. The Sims is where I go to get away from all the horrible stuff that I have to see on TV or in Newspapers on Yahoo news etc. I usually let my Sims lead me to their mate unless I am predetermining them together for a storyline/genetic reasons. That's one thing that's so great about the Inteen, it allows everyone to have a chance at fulfilling a dream, and orientation doesn't matter.

[zumppe]

All my sims are set to bi when they age to teen, and they take it from there themselves (ACR). After they have chosen their "permanent" mates, I might change their orientation accordingly, but many stay bi forever, especially my Romance sims.

Since I prefer to play male sims overall, I also prefer male gay couples, and fortunately have a lot of those. There are only a few gay sims in my first generation, but in my second and beyond, about 50 % are gay.

My gay couples have biological children just like my straight couples, because I like the genetics aspect of the game and find adoption useless in that regard. I have overpopulation problems anyway, I don't need a lot of new kids not really related to anyone.

[maxon]

How do you do that? (really, I want transgender sims in my game, I just don't see how it would be possible)
You download female skins that have been reassigned to males (or vice versa). You'll need a skintones as well as clothes if you want to go the whole hog. There's plenty of stuff about. I think there's one site, in particular, that is dedicated to female to male TGs. I can't remember the name right now...

[RowenaLupin]

http://modthesims.info/member.php?u=75835

This creator has a lot of female to male clothing and other odds and ends that are interesting.

[Simsica]

http://modthesims.info/member.php?u=75835

This creator has a lot of female to male clothing and other odds and ends that are interesting.

That's right. I used to visit his/her profile a lot, since I'm entertianing the thought of introducing TGs in my hoods too.
Any male->female clothing you know off?

As I see it, the trouble with TGs is that you need to download so much CC for it. That's the only reason I still haven't done it anyway.

[MsScribble]

Sims love who they love. Who am I to stand in their way? Hey Will Farrell's on telly! *runs off.

[RowenaLupin]

That's right. I used to visit his/her profile a lot, since I'm entertianing the thought of introducing TGs in my hoods too. Any male->female clothing you know off?

I've ran across a few tomboyish stuff, but not many male to female clothing. I'll have to hunt that up. Lately, I've been searching and searching for adult female PANTS/Jeans that don't have rips, and its actually kind of hard. Everything's so dressy or ripped/washed out jeans that I have more than enough to be going on with.

[Simsica]

There's plenty right here on MTS - my own source of logical everyday clothes. But I guess you've already picked those up, huh, and you want more?
I myself am going with the "untuckables" - those usually are normal - not ripped or fancy or anything like that.

And of course there's not a lot male->female out there. If there's not that, then I can't have TGs in my hoods. Everyone needs to have the same chance of being TG if they want to. This way, the option would be only half-way.

[fruitsymphony]

:up: Have downloaded 2 pretty outfits for Crossdressing sims from t2suggas profile. They also made nice clothing for the mature sim ladies. Downloaded.
(How do you link to somebodys profile?)

[Simsica]

Okay - off topic, but... I must. t2suggas has something called "pregnant looking teen meshes". I've always dreaded InTeen - it kills kittens, ya know? - but I've wanted pregnant teens too. They're having woohoo, right? (ACR) So I could use this as a sort of substitute? Make my teens look pregnant, and add pregnancy token with some other mod?

But again the same problem: any teen *male* fake pregnancy clothes?

[RowenaLupin]

Check out TwoJeff's mods maybe? I know he has several mods that does the same thing as Inteen. I'd use it but I already have inteen in and there's a lot of potential borkage if I yank it out, and I'm pretty illiterate when it comes to a lot of techy stuff.

[pico22]

I don't use ACR. When I create a new Sim I have him or her flirt ("check out") with a man and a woman and then check the bolts. The person with most bolts determines my Sim's orientation; equal bolts for a male and female Sim = bisexual. Sometimes it takes a while but this way I feel Sims have chosen by themselves,

[Simsica]

Check out TwoJeff's mods maybe? I know he has several mods that does the same thing as Inteen.

Going to check it out, definitely. Thanks for the suggestion :)
And sorry everyone for sneaking the teen preg into the thread... That one is gone now!

About setting teens to be bi - I've done that in one of my current hoods. It works pretty well. More choice for everyone to find that special someone. That hood, called Everville, however is a normal hood, compared to my other one, where I have romance aspiration plague issues and am simply scared to introduce even more potential for ..."romance".
I hate it that EAxis has used this word to name that aspiration - it's so off the mark.

[May93]

You download female skins that have been reassigned to males (or vice versa). You'll need a skintones as well as clothes if you want to go the whole hog. There's plenty of stuff about. I think there's one site, in particular, that is dedicated to female to male TGs. I can't remember the name right now...
I'd want to completely transform an existing sim in the neighbourhood, not create a new one... I don't think downloading skins would work for that =| besides, the attraction needs to work so that straight women would be attracted to the ftm sims ect. I wouldn't want them to still be counted as female by the game.

[Peni Griffin]

I have lots of dresses for men (including some for kids!) in my sim closet, just haven't found the character to use them on, though there's a couple of male townies I've gussied up into feminine dresses and hair. I need to remember to make a couple of drag kings, too. A lot of them I got right here, searching on "transgender," "transsexual," and similar terms. There's Goopy in a dress (Aegagropilon did some recolors of that), and a drag queen sim or two.

Making it possible for straight sims to feel attraction to a trans as May93 wants would involve some heavy-duty programming, probably at the ACR-level. Good luck with that.

Personally I think "Romance" is a good name for the aspiration, especially given that they'd have lost their teen rating if they called it the "Slutpuppy" or "Sex" aspiration. The deal is that it's only partly about the sex. One reason that the divorce rate in the western world is so high is that we place a high value on the "giddy, dancing way you feel" at the beginning of a relationship, the excitement of discovery, the "thrill of the hunt," and the obsessive mutual attraction. We call that "love." So when we settle into the long-term, daily grind of living with that person and coping with the strains of paying for the house, employment, unemployment, negotiating who does the dishes, raising the children, and all that, we tend to feel that the love goes away and start looking for the endorphin rush again. Love of course doesn't go away, and the quieter love of the daily grind is what sees you through raising the children, the debilitating illness, and the choices about who gives up what in order to keep the family going as an economic unit. A wise couple recognizes that and works at finding ways to access the endorphin rush when they need it; which is why it's called "keeping the Romance alive." But not everybody is wise, and if you don't understand the distinction, or one party is less dedicated to, or less in need of, keeping the spark, the natural thing to do is start another relationship. And then another. And another...

Anyway that's far enough off topic. Sorry. The main point is, that just because rampant promiscuity is the obvious way to play a Romance sim, it is far from the only way. Most players have no problem making Peter Ottomas stay faithful to Samantha. A Romance sim, of any gender orientation, can have a really good marriage if the player works at it.

[SimMegaptera]

I have probably equal numbers of gay and straight couples in my hood. I haven't used any kind of hack to set their sexuality, I just make them flirt with the person I've targeted for their mate. I seem to remember downloading a mod (Pescado?) that would make gay sims get 'married' rather than 'civilly joined' or whatever.

I've also got the simblender which can make any adult sim get pregnant by any other, although I haven't used it much -- when I have a gay couple I tend to make them adopt a kid or get one of them pregnant by aliens.

[Simsica]

The main point is, that just because rampant promiscuity is the obvious way to play a Romance sim, it is far from the only way. Most players have no problem making Peter Ottomas stay faithful to Samantha. A Romance sim, of any gender orientation, can have a really good marriage if the player works at it.

I agree with that. I usually played them so that they were actually very happy in their marriages. Oh, well... I'll deal. I can't give up on my Sims, now can I?

[Vladora]

Mootilda did a tutorial on how to change a sim's gender, outside and inside.

Yes, and I've done that many times. As I understand it, a person wanting to change their sex has to go through a period pre-op living as the opposite sex for awhile. Then there's hormone replacement and surgeries. It's definitely not an overnight process. I think the appeal of only changing the way the Sim acts and using CC for the rest is to have a Sim who's mid-change and somewhat more realistic to a transgendered person's transition in real life.

[smellincoffee]

My approach to homosexuality in the game has changed through the years, largely because I have. The first time I installed a Sims game, I was a kid who had never considered the prejudices he was raised with -- and being raised in the south, in a very conservative-reactionary household -- you can guess what those prejudices were. As I grew older, I began thinking on the issue, and when I left the religion of my youth I realized the prejudices I had were completely baseless. I can remember vividly sitting in church and thinking about the possibility of playing one of my Sims as gay. It seems so trivial now, but back then...it was a huge departure. It was nothing short of rebellious for me, but I did it. The Sims 2 allowed me to experiment wih seeing homosexuality, for it to become normal -- so much to the point that by the time I moved to college and met people who were actual homosexuals, it seemed positively mundane. I haven't played the game "straight" since 2005, 2006 or so.

Right now the problem is keeping myself from getting carried away with homosexuality in the game. I find same-sex couples more interesting than the hetero ones, possibily because they still feel 'forbidden'. And that concerns me. I don't have that reaction with mixed-skin-tone couples, so it's as though part of me is still seeing same-sex relationships as Different, or naughty even, and another part of me -- a better part of me -- thinks that's unjust. So I've been trying to use ACR to set a standard ratio for hetero/bi/homosexuality, and then staying within the defined limits, but so help me if I'm not constantly making/letting the scion of this house or the favored daughter of that house experiment.

In Pleasantview, which I've mostly retired because it's big and prone to freezes and crashes, almost everyone is bisexual at least. In Sanctuary, which is supposed to be very conservative, there are only 2 gay couples out of a dozen or so households (one male, one female, and I don't really play the females), but most teens go on a few dates with both sexes, regardless of their chosen gender preference. I do this in part because dates, even just-friends dates, are an easy source of satisfied Wants. Plus, it's a way to screw with the Sims' minds: a little chaos and unpredictably liven up the game considerably. I've had them start rolling up wants for a friend of the same sex while they're on a date with someone of a different sex...AFTER I've set them to be straight.

[maxon]

I'd want to completely transform an existing sim in the neighbourhood, not create a new one... I don't think downloading skins would work for that =| besides, the attraction needs to work so that straight women would be attracted to the ftm sims ect. I wouldn't want them to still be counted as female by the game.
The most usual route - let's say a mtf sim - is to create a male sim with female skins - that is skintone and clothes. That way you get a mix of appearance and behaviour signifiers which approximates the inbetween-y feel for people who have travelled from one social category (gender) to another. I would guess it's this inbetween-y state that's interesting to most players and the stories they tell about such characters. If you changed the gender as well, the sim would simply be female - which kind of gets away from the interest of playing the sim I guess, though it affirms the completeness of the journey (so to speak). If you wanted to change an existing sim over completely, I think it could be done relatively easily (unlike in real life!). You could simply build a female version of your sim (as above) in Bodyshop. If you wanted the real sim's appearance, extract the sim in SimPE, import into Bodyshop change the gender (something Bodyshop is good at), then use the Cloning facility of SimPE to clone over the new external appearance of the sim. You can use the version of the cloner that allows you to clone from Bodyshop rather than from an existing sim in the neighbourhood (which is what the default version does). You'd have to then change the gender in terms of the coding using Moo's tutorial.

InTeen - it kills kittens, ya know?
For the last time - it got FIXED.

[colazocker13]

I do remember that insim had an option to change the sims' way of acting. (gender)

But I don't use that because having a male sim talking and walking like a woman would be rather odd. But I do love letting them wear dresses and high-heels :D

[May93]

I guess what I'm looking for isn't really possible =|

[Mrmo]

Yes, there are homosexuality in my game. Thx bai (short version).

In the long version I must admit that there are some homosexual couples in my hood. In fact, the very first sim I ever created was a female who later was involved in a relationship whit a female townie (this family still exist but I do not play them for some reasons). Over the years some more lesbian familys has been added but most of my sims are still stright. i do not have any strict gay couples but one of the familys (so far) includes a man and a transsexual. A two man relationship would not disturb me but I like the idea of a transexual partner better for a male sim better. ( I had not found a good bodyshape yet so when naked the transsexual look male but I do not care about that now). In one of my familys there seems to be two womans but one of them are'nt a real girl. I'm a modern person and I don't see a problem whit this issue.

[Dizzy-noodles]

Oh I love having gay couples! I only have one lesbian couple though, not sure why. I was a bit disappointed one of my sims was gay, as he was so handsome I wanted him to pass his genes on, but then I used boolprop to get him pregnant by his boyfriend! :) I have about 4 or 5 gay couples at the moment.

[DigitalSympathies]

What really matters, DS, is that you immediately tell me what mental illness mods you're talking about. :heyhey: I want them.
They must be from some adult site, right?

I'm sorry, I can't give them out! They're untested and have caused my game a lot of, erm, side effects . . . myself and a few friends screwed around with the idea of:

- some sims born being unable to walk for longer than a few steps, and unable to learn to walk (thus requiring a wheelchair)

- some sims just going batshit insane after a death or just after an aging-up

- some sims having inappropriate reactions to other things

- "red" aspiration indicates lots of sighing, crying, and stuff (depression)

- some sims who will NOT under any circumstances talk to people

What we got with our homebrew mod was that and a bit more, such as the elder pregnancy and stuff, just cos we messed with so much . . . seriously, I've had a friend test it out in their game and even after removing our mods, the game kind of . . . well, they had to restore a backup, let's just say that much. :lol:

[iCad]

I love my gay male Sims almost as much as I love my (large) circle of real-life gay male friends/family. :lol:

I ACR-randomize my hoods' townies/NPCs using a 30% gay, 15% bi, and 55% straight split. Which probably doesn't reflect real life, where there are probably far more people who are bi than strictly gay, but...Yeah, I don't care. :lol: All of my CAS/born-in-games get a die roll to determine their sexuality and, I admit, the percentages are skewed such that I have more gays/bis than straight (HAH!) probability would generate. I guess in a way it's a reflection of my real-life sort of "gay-wannabe"ness. I love homo- and bisexual people and would love to fit in more easily with that sort of crowd...but try as I might, I just can't find my fellow females sexually attractive. :lol: So, I load my game up with gays/bis and sigh longingly...or something like that. :)

[sweetbaby160]

the main hood I am playing right now, seems to be prodominantly straight (without checking stats) but it still relatively new (only 4 houses & all from founder's bloodline). There is one son that already has given me the impression that he REALLY likes the paperboy, so he'll likely be coming out after he becomes a teen...I do have another hood where with ACR I have flipped the stats, majority of townies & playables are gay, with a few straight sims around. I too have the mpreg mod, so genes are passed on, although there are a couple households where I just have them adopt a lot...

[Liv Lukas]

I thought for sure this thread would go down the tubes and fast, but to my happy surprise it has been awesome and informative!

Dammit, group hug!

(((((((*****))))))))

[Lovenug]

I don't have many gay couples actually... I don't like the fact that they have to adopt children (I think the funny part of the game is the genes and the generations and such), and i want to keep it realistic, so no male-male or female-female pregnancies. :) but with that said, i have a few gay couples :) but in my hood they breed dogs :) so the dogs are like their babies <3 :)

[M.M.A.A.]

None! (And that's all I'm going to say, I think...)

[Charmful]

I have 8 gay/Lesbian sims and 2 bisexuals but I realized I wanted more and I wanted it to be random so when I go into my next simming phase, my current sim children when they grow into teens - I will do random die rolls and 1,2,5,6 = straight sim, 3 = bisexual sim, and 4 = homosexual sim.

I think that will make it more realistic because I have tons of sims and the population could use a little more variety in couplings.

[jthm_nny]

Almost all my male sims end up gay on their own. Almost every time. I have no idea if it's a glitch or what. My women sims are often bisexual. I don't understand. It's in all my neighborhoods. Not just Strangetown.

[DuskTrooper]

I'm still in the planning stages of for my 'Hood, so I don't have any gay Sims yet.

[akksgurl]

I let ACR decide how many I have in my hood. I think I'm set at 20% but I'd have to double check to be sure. My current hood doesn't have any playable ones so far, but it's a very young BACC so that's not too surprising. My two favorite pairings in older hoods were gay couples. One was a former mascot from college who married one of my female sims and then proceeded to fall head over heels for Benjamin Long. His wife wasn't too happy with him, but he and Ben ended up having a long and happy life together with about a half dozen cats (seriously, Ben wanted to just keep getting cats so I obliged). The second didn't end quite so happily. Samantha was my generation 2 spare for my legacy and she married a gorgeous townie named Phoebe. They were living a great little life in a townhouse with a dog and high profile careers when Phoebe fell victim to the exercise bike. Samantha then, for some strange reason, lost her mind and ACR suddenly started telling me she was straight and she kept rolling these romantic wants for her cousin's husband (who was the cousin's mother's ex-husband who the cousin had stolen from her own mother after her father had died and the mother had remarried). Let me tell you, I hadn't thought that insane situation could have gotten any weirder, but Samantha just had to go and prove me wrong. :rofl:

[dtfan]

I have 0 gay people in my neighborhoods, I do have several transgender couples though (my best friend is a transgender ftm) but that is about it. I play with elements that are familiar to me...but mostly I play with straight couples, which get boring I guess.
Oh, what a relief. I thought I was the only person who had tons of transgender Sims!

I have about four FTMs in my megahood, and one MTF... but they're just so fascinating to create! My best friend's brother is FTM, so that's why I love making them.

[Simsica]

Oh, what a relief. I thought I was the only person who had tons of transgender Sims!

I have about four FTMs in my megahood, and one MTF... but they're just so fascinating to create! My best friend's brother is FTM, so that's why I love making them.

dtfan, would you please share the knowledge of your TG resources - clothes, skins, whatever else a TG person needs, both ways mtf and ftm?

Now I feel like I'm really missing a color in my rainbow. And I want it. A population has to be as colorful as possible to be a population. :)

[Fivey]

This thread should be renamed 'LGBTs in your game', since if one wants to be technical, transgenders and transexuals aren't exactly gay, as much as they have conflicting physical and psychological genders.

Just being nitpicky, though.

[Simsica]

This thread should be renamed 'LGBTs in your game', since if one wants to be technical, transgenders and transexuals aren't exactly gay, as much as they have conflicting physical and psychological genders.

Just being nitpicky, though.

Neither are bisexuals. Just to be nitpicky all the way ;)

[sweetbaby160]

For the last time - it got FIXED.

sorry but that seriously had me laughing my butt off :rofl: (not in disagreement; just from seeing you say that in multiple threads)
:faceslap: ;)

[Simsica]

sorry but that seriously had me laughing my butt off :rofl: (not in disagreement; just from seeing you say that in multiple threads)
:faceslap: ;)

And twice she told it to me :D, in two days.

Don't tell her, but in that other thread I did it just to provoke another :rofl:

[sweetbaby160]

And twice she told it to me :D, in two days.

Don't tell her, but in that other thread I did it just to provoke another :rofl:

okay...just laughed so hard, I woke my husband (& I'm in the basement!!)
:rofl: :beer: :rofl:

[Fivey]

Since we're on the topic of transgenderism and transsexualism...for those who were looking for such clothing. (http://www.digitalperversion.net/gardenofshadows/index.php?topic=21026.0)

Also, Rhea Grunt.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/swallowmeup/rhea.jpg

yaaay.

[Simsica]

Since I can't press "love" twice under a single post, here you go, Fivey: love - for that link. :)

And, you're a nice person, whatever you personally might think about it! - this about something you said in, obviously, another thread...

[Fivey]

I was looking for it myself, and figured I would post it here for convenience's sake.

It depends on my mood, though the best word to describe me is 'blunt'.

[maxon]

Hmmmmms - at Simsica and sweetbaby: Hmmmmm.

[May93]

This thread should be renamed 'LGBTs in your game', since if one wants to be technical, transgenders and transexuals aren't exactly gay, as much as they have conflicting physical and psychological genders.

Just being nitpicky, though.
I don't think people were suggesting that... at least, it didn't seem that way to me
although, transgender people can be gay... or bi... or anything that a non trans person can be. =)

[Simsica]

Some more TG stuff, for anyone interested: here (http://www.gothplaguesgear.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=ae37b8e3b113cd12c2702f96da379ed3).

[SimMegaptera]

Here's the mod I would want for making trans sims. Make the gender pronouns switchable. For example, in work chance cards or school event cards, a character who used to be called 'he' could now be called 'she'. Couple this with making female hair, makeup, and clothes available to male sims, and you could have someone who started out looking male presenting as female instead. You could make it a gradual change that way too. Decide when she wants to start putting lipstick on (if at all!) or wearing skirts or using the female pronouns. Also, three words: wearable mesh breasts.

The way we have it now is perfectly fine for crossdressers who identify as their physical sex but just like to dress up in the opposite clothes.

[May93]

Here's the mod I would want for making trans sims. Make the gender pronouns switchable. For example, in work chance cards or school event cards, a character who used to be called 'he' could now be called 'she'. Couple this with making female hair, makeup, and clothes available to male sims, and you could have someone who started out looking male presenting as female instead. You could make it a gradual change that way too. Decide when she wants to start putting lipstick on (if at all!) or wearing skirts or using the female pronouns. Also, three words: wearable mesh breasts.

The way we have it now is perfectly fine for crossdressers who identify as their physical sex but just like to dress up in the opposite clothes.

I would download that. I think it would also need name changing options...
I'd still want the sim to be able to be exactly like a sim who was born/created female in the end though
ha...now I just wish someone would make a mod like this.

[dtfan]

dtfan, would you please share the knowledge of your TG resources - clothes, skins, whatever else a TG person needs, both ways mtf and ftm?

Now I feel like I'm really missing a color in my rainbow. And I want it. A population has to be as colorful as possible to be a population. :)

EDIT: Oops, never mind. It appears I was ninja'd. :/

[Fivey]

The stuff on Simmergirl would ideally be perfect, if it weren't for the fact that half the clothes have giant boobs.

[pico22]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/pico22/newspaper.jpg

[lauratje86]

Aha! So it was playing The Sims that made me bisexual! :-D I'm pretty sure I started playing it before I decided (ie became aware) that I was. When did The Sims come out again?

[Peni Griffin]

About the same time you did, apparently.

[lauratje86]

About the same time you did, apparently.

Hehe. Good one :-) I concluded I was bisexual in 2000 or thereabouts, so when The Sims was released. Technically I didn't come out 'til about 4 years after I concluded that I was bisexual though. In 2004. When The Sims 2 came out! So that proves it.... :-D

[jthm_nny]

Oh yes, it's a conspiracy!!! ~suspicious of every commenter in this thread~ Joking.....75% :D

[SimMegaptera]

I would download that. I think it would also need name changing options...
I'd still want the sim to be able to be exactly like a sim who was born/created female in the end though

In other words, you want them to pass perfectly after transition, as opposed to being identifiable. That should also be an option. Of course you could always just make a female sim and give her a backstory where she was born in a boy body, but that doesn't help for sims born in-game.

Naming is easy, the SimBlender and some other mods already do name changes.

[grammapat]

My hoods have all gotten too huge; if I have a masculine-looking girl teen, or a boy teen who will just NOT stop chasing butterflies and being generally stupid -- I invite them to flirt with the same sex. And if they seem to like it, well...I just let them carry on! Frankly, it always irritated me how "shallow" sims are! (like I expect them to THINK?!). A happily married old woman will let any sweet-talker get in her pixel-panties, and sexual orientation doesn't mean much. Jeez - I had to remove an interesting hack when teens kept boinking their parents ...yech!

[dw14832]

I have 1 Gay couple 1 Lesbian Couple and 2 Mtf Crossdressers.

[MattShizzle]

I have gay and lesbian couples sometimes but would never have trans. Sorry, that disgusts me especially the idea someone could be tricked into being with the wrong gender (including a gay person being tricked into being with someone who is really the opposite but pretending to be the same.) Not much different from rape for me. Being like that and not making it obvious deserves execution.

[Simsica]

We're all out now, hm? If we're out then we're not in, and if we're in then we're not out. It's simple as that.

Execution, Matt? C'mon. Come outside with the rest of us - there's more space here.

[MattShizzle]

WTF are you talking about? I'm straight and support gay marriage but would rather die than do anything sexual with another guy. This idea that someone can just pick whether they are a man or a woman is nuts to me. Makes me almost wish I lived in like the 20s or 50s. Only reason not is the racism and technology. I'm actually an Atheist and Socialist but that crap scares me. Why should people be afraid that someone they meet is the wrong gender? (again, even if they're gay.)

[Simsica]

Ooooops...

It was a joke - one assuming an outsider's view on your "socialist" gay support. The way, you know, it was made to appear in that mock news paper up there.

You can stay whereever the **** you want. No one needs your support, by the way.

And it's not a choice.

[Peni Griffin]

Capital punishment just seems a bit extreme, is all. Of course people should reveal their gender before physical intimacy occurs - it's good manners and safe practice, if nothing else - but c'mon.

Anyway, this is drifting off-topic toward what looks to me like some underwater rocks, so let's paddle back to the middle of the stream and talk about sims again. In my game, Epiphany Curian, conceived by artificial insimination between Tiffany (Sampson) Curian and Greg Aerius, Tiffany's wife's cousin, aged to toddler today. Greg, his husband Ben, their adopted son John Amos, and Tiffany's wife's family were at the birthday party. Though Greg and John Amos were perfectly willing to hold and play with her, and John Amos in particular was reluctant to stop, I was disappointed to see that she doesn't recognize Greg as her father for purposes of wants-rolling. So far she's only wanted to do things with Tiffany and to learn to talk - which is interesting, because normally the first set of wants is "learn the three major toddler skills and do things with a parent." She's a Leo, and very outgoing, which I presume is why the toddler skill she's most interested in is talking. But anyway, I had hoped that with Greg on the lot she'd roll wants for him. I expect I should count my blessings, as it'd be very inconvenient if she were constantly rolling wants for a parent who can't be there all the time.

Does anybody know whether it would be different if he lived on the lot? The only illegitimate child born in my game to-date similarly rolled no wants for his absentee father. He might as well have been an alien birth in that regard.

[MattShizzle]

My best friend since 5th grade is gay btw. We're both 38 now.

[TychoH]

There are no TG's in my game, I don't like it when people dress like the other sex (but if real people are GT's, fine to me, the Sims is my world). Sometimes I had a gay couple, a married one, but that was so strange to me (I live in the Dutch bible belt, no gay couples here) that I've never played gay couples again.

Does anybody know whether it would be different if he lived on the lot? The only illegitimate child born in my game to-date similarly rolled no wants for his absentee father. He might as well have been an alien birth in that regard.

It would be differend if Epiphany actually knows the father, I think. All my toddlers who were born without a father on the lot, didn't rolled wants for their fathers untill they known them.

[MattShizzle]

I also think rapists and child molestors should be executed - in their case possibly via torture.

[Simsica]

Anyway, this is drifting off-topic toward what looks to me like some underwater rocks, so let's paddle back to the middle of the stream and talk about sims again.

My point exactly. But it seems I should have made it srsly... Lame jokes - my eternal destiny. Ah well, at least i didn't mention any cats.
Oops... Sorry.
That gives me an idea: a gay cat.
In game, Matt. In game...

About the kid - I agree with Tycho - maybe introduce them. My kid whose mother lives away always has a want having to do with her. She visits and that's why - that's when he wants stuff with her.

[MattShizzle]

I actually have a bit over 30 cats. I rescue them as strays. Unfortunately 3 very recently were pregnant females. Trying to find homes. Would never give them to a kill shelter. I don't have any EPs so no pets in game. My actual legs are torn to shreds lately from the kittens though. With my form of autism I "get" cats way more than people and they almost always like me. A few years back my mom called me "the cat whisperer."

[Fivey]

I like how this thread started with homosexuals, derailed to the topic of transsexuals, derailed further into politics concerning lgbts, and somehow, we got to cats.

[Simsica]

Anyway, I was thinking about my gays. Since i do at times adhere to some sort of realism, I've decided to make it so like the "sim science advanced" to the point where the same sex couples can have children.

There will be research, and development and rewards for the major break-through. Maybe even a holiday to honor the occasion. Sometime long ago I've read a post from a player describing a similar process and I was delighted with the idea. my scientist Sims have something to do to this way, besides educating the young. I was thinking making this their first project. Once I open the Uni. No YAs yet in Simville.

How do you deal with the same sex pregnancy? Do you weave a story around the possibility or you just plop the mod in and let it do its bit?

And no more cats! They're cutely distracting. (This was also a joke. In case anyone wondered.)

[Darby]

I take same-sex pregnancy for granted. Having never been overly concerned with realism in my game, I just always figured that sims are sims, not humans, and human rules don't always apply. I like to see how the genetics play out, and allowing same-sex couples to procreate is the easiest way to do that.

As for how many gay sims I have, I keep tweaking the ACR stats. Haven't been able to decide on percentages. I think I currently have them set for higher-than-average, compared to real life, for gay and especially bi sims. Something like 15% gay, 10% bi, and 75% straight.

I once did what someone else did and had everyone, playables and townies alike, set to bi-sexual by default, with the idea that they'd be really good at choosing their own lifemates that way. Seemed like a good idea in theory, but I didn't like how it worked in practice. Problem is, I don't remember exactly what was bugging me about it, and now I'm thinking about trying it again. Because it still sounds good in theory. :)

[dtfan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/pico22/newspaper.jpg Suddenly, everything makes sense.

[Fivey]

I don't have same-sex pregnancy in my game. I get enough problems to worry about as it is, I don't need more. I did put it in once, and got a fairly attractive woman out of a gay couple, but I realized that they'll keep breeding and breeding and breeding and breeding and breeding and breeding and breeding...

I do allow alien abduction pregnancies duhviously, but not female alien abduction pregnancies. I keep it as something reserved solely to the males of my population to worry about.

[Orilon]

I don't remember why I took out my preg for all mod, but I did and so keep relationships heterosexual since I usually want them to have at least one biological kid.

I do have a mod that lets females come back alien pregnant, but none of my females have gotten abducted by aliens. Just the guys, and the adult males came back pregnant as usual.

[DasRabennest]

Hi there,

in my game there's a fair share of homosexuality. I roll the dice for every child on their teen transition and set their preference with ACR.

Concerning pregnancy: female homosexual sims in my game CAN be artificially inseminated but it has to make sense for them to want a baby storywise. They have to find a sperm donor though (who they have to be good friends to) and it's an expensive procedure (3000 simoleons). After they paid I roll a dice again and if the insemination rolls successful I let them have a baby with the donor through SimBlender. They can try three times unsuccessfully (and have to pay the fee for each try) before they're out of the program and have to consider other options.
Adoption is free so most of my homosexuals go that route except for the few males that would rather take the alien abduction turn. ;)

I have no same sex pregnancy mod because I like to make it a bit harder for my sims to have their wishes fulfilled.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that some of my homosexual sims (often those that are financially struggling) decide to get a pet instead of a child. It's probably mentally 'unhealthy' but I know people who did that in real life so it's good enough for my sims. Their pets are often extremely spoiled with owners that cook food especially for the pet and teach them all the tricks...

[Simsica]

I guess we don't need a preg for all mod with all these insemination tools floating around.

I also adore the genetics part of the game and am forever enraptured with my Sim offspring: whose nose, whose hair, eyes...? My hoods aren't overpopulated though so I can afford everyone reproducing - I check that with ACR's birth control and/or "ideal kids" numbers.

That's why I had to make all my Sims bi in one hood - I did it only to playable teens though, since there are only few of them and they didn't seem to care much about each other chemistry-wise. Unfortunately they don't seem to care much for each other even with the bi solution - I guess there are just too few of them.

But I did get a lovely female couple out of it and the drama is already beginning - involving one of the females' twin sister, the other's Romance/Popularity brother and a high school teacher who finds the brother irresistible. I think the twins might end up in a serious dispute after this one. It's... complicated. But fun ;)

[SimMegaptera]

If anyone actually wants to know about how transsexuality works, rather than just feeling put out by people whose gender you don't know, read this: http://transsexual.org/ It really helped me to understand and be compassionate when I found out an acquaintance of mine was trans. If you're interested in being compassionate instead of hating, of course.

Aaaanyhoo. Yes, genetics FTW, that's sort of why I let my gay sims have biological children together. I want to see where the genetics take their offspring. :) Or alien kids, I've given Demerara Finch an alien daughter, so her genetics will be passed down in addition to grey skin and bug-eyes and a complete lack of cheekbones apparently.

[Peni Griffin]

I did introduce Greg to Piff, see?
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee238/PeniG/Simshots/Toddlers/snapshot_59edb616_dd303a65.jpghttp://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee238/PeniG/Simshots/Toddlers/snapshot_59edb616_7d303a8e.jpg
But so far, Tiffany's the only person she rolls wants for. Of course, she's only rolled wants a couple of times, since she only aged up last night. I'll make sure they visit back and forth a lot (hurray for the teleporter cat!) and maybe she'll roll wants for Pa, too. (You see why I wanted those genes passed, don't you? )

I don't do mpreg except for the alien pregnancies because a) with mpreg there's no reason for separate sexes at all, b) if everybody can get pregnant more or less at will I'll probably overpopulate, c) I seeded the adoption pool and need an excuse to use it, and d) limitations hold the seeds of story as characters overcome them. Which is why so many people have complex sets of rules that would do my head in.

I suspect that the reason Darby's universal-bi experiment didn't work out is, that the way the attraction system is set up, nobody gets any chemistry until set to react to one gender or another. But since ACR has a regular bi setting and that's what he's using I'm probably wrong.

[Simsica]

I did introduce Greg to Piff, see? But so far, Tiffany's the only person she rolls wants for.
Then maybe they need to be friends? Or she just likes Tiffany better? :)

My kid's parents divorced and his Mom left him with his father, but she loves him and comes around every day to see him, all on her own. The kid and her were already friends when she left, and now they are BFF.
Currently, he wants to hire her to work on their farm, second day in a row, without want lock - he rolled it again upon waking. Isn't that sweet?

So, if you keep bringing him around, I'm sure that Piff will soon want all sorts of things involving Greg.

I suspect that the reason Darby's universal-bi experiment didn't work out is, that the way the attraction system is set up, nobody gets any chemistry until set to react to one gender or another. But since ACR has a regular bi setting and that's what he's using I'm probably wrong.

ACR sets their attraction to both genders, and the game allows this too, I believe, but it would be very difficult to develop&maintain, cause it's designed "against" bisexuality - meaning, the attraction toward one sex reduces as the attraction toward the other grows.
As if the underlying rule is: you can only like one or the other, you silly Sim, not both!
If you start at 0 - where every Sim starts - it's easy to slip into minus in one direction thus disrupting bisexuality.
Which is why all my bi Sims are set to high bi - 500 attraction points toward both sexes. Let me see them spend that much so easily!

[Darby]

Yeah, a bi-gender pref set with ACR definitely enables attraction bolts, just as a first romantic interaction would set preference in an unmodded game and enable the proper boltage. So that's not what the issue was.

I think my dissatisfaction may have been similar to your a) reason for not allowing mpreg, Peni. Where you feel that mpreg makes the separate sexes seem irrelevant, I think having everyone potentially attracted to everyone makes the attraction rather unspecial.

If I try it again, perhaps if once my playables have interacted romantically with enough sims to show a seeming preference for one or the other, I'll remove the bi-sexual tag for most and give them just one preference or another.

By the way, I know "Darby" is more often a male than a female name, but I'm most definitely a "she". :)

[MuletotheFoxxes]

Peni - Maybe what you need to do is get her wants to re-roll while her dad is on the lot. Toddlers will only roll wants for the parent that is at home. So might try having mom fulfill one of those wants while dad is visiting and see if she rolls some wants for dad.

I don't have the pregnancy for all mod. But I do have the simblender and so let my same sex couples have a baby together if one of them has alien ancestry, if one of them is a witch/warlock, or if both of them are bff with a witch. I'm thinking of letting them do so if they buy a love potion off of a witch though, I'm just not sure about that last one.

[May93]

I have gay and lesbian couples sometimes but would never have trans. Sorry, that disgusts me especially the idea someone could be tricked into being with the wrong gender (including a gay person being tricked into being with someone who is really the opposite but pretending to be the same.) Not much different from rape for me. Being like that and not making it obvious deserves execution.

1. There is no pretending involved.
2. NO One is trying to trick anyone.
3. They are not the opposite. The body they are born into does not define who they are.

and execution ... uh :faceslap: , I have nothing to even say to this.

[whiterider]

And there was me hoping that topic wouldn't pop up again in this thread. :)

To MattShizzle, I don't think you intended your post to be offensive, but it was. The whole "That chick/dude seducing me is a dude/chick" trope is very disconnected from reality, and finds its roots in TV comedy; it betrays a serious lack of understanding of transgender people, and a total disregard of some of the often insurmountable difficulties faced by those unlucky enough to be transgender. Like I say, I don't think you realised when you were posting how upsetting your comment was, which is why I'm not gonna yell at you or warn you, or whatever. I will ask, though, that you do some proper research before posting presumptions which could be very damaging if you've got them wrong - and try not to let yourself get angry over anything you're not totally sure is true.

To everyone else, mine is the final beration. Feel free to keep discussing transgender issues (or cats, whatever yo), but please do so in a manner which shows Matt that he's wrong through thoughtful, informed discussion; and not by yelling at him. And on the off-chance that someone reckons I should have produced a ban instead of a rebuttal; I understand entirely, but that's not going to change anyone's attitudes.

[lauratje86]

Well, cats seem to be less controversial as a topic, but I must say I found the LGBT stuff more interesting! :-) I'm currently starting up a new 'hood made up (mainly) of supernaturals, and one of the zombies-to-be is struggling with deciding whether or not he's transgender or just likes dressing up in women's clothing occasionally (and whether he should open up and discuss it with someone, either way). He's about to die and be brought back as a zombie during my starting up the 'hood phase, and when gameplay starts properly I shall have to see where things go.....

[MattShizzle]

Now how messed up would a sim have to be to want to woohoo with a zombie! What even would that be? Not quite necrophilia as they are kinda-sorta alive. Never used any EPs but from my understanding and the way zombies work in other genres...

[Fivey]

Now how messed up would a sim have to be to want to woohoo with a zombie! What even would that be? Not quite necrophilia as they are kinda-sorta alive. Never used any EPs but from my understanding and the way zombies work in other genres...

http://thumbs2.modthesims2.com/img/7/1/8/6/1/6/4/MTS_Fivey-1307250-snapshot_1cdd6546_bd063c4f.jpg

Craig is very offended at your statement. :giggler:

From my experience, unless you throw in Pescado's Zombie Mod, they act the same as regular sims. Well, except for the shambling and the occasional groaning and the severely lowered personality traits and skills.

Note: Craig's the bisexual-oversexed-once-hot-as-fuck-but-now-dead-as-fuck-Pleasure-zombie angstmobile of Middleground, so he's rather biased. :lol:

[Sunbee]

Probably a Romance/Knowledge or Knowledge/Romance sim, Matt. They'll try anything.
Sim zombies really aren't like other zombies, any more than sim vampires are like other vampires, or sim werewolves are like other werewolves. I guess werewolves get closest, though there's the lack of full moon thing and the controllable thing . . . so not all that close. Then again, there's always the possibility of a zombie couple, which might feel less weird to you.
Isn't that the nice thing about sims? We each play our own way. I don't tolerate sloppy and lazy sims very well, others can't stand mean sims, some love supernaturals, others hate them. I wish we could get some of our more uptight politicians to sim out their dream worlds instead of trying to impose them on us--and that goes for all the parties.

[MattShizzle]

I hate supernaturals and also hate sloppy/grouchy sims. They either don't exist in my game, get changed via merola's magic mirror/boolprop or die.
btw here is a pic of some of the kittens (3 and a half weeks old)

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e162/MattGo74/kittens-2.jpg

[dtfan]

Let me tell you some more about one of my transgender Sims. He's my favorite of the five that I have and his name is Myles Philip Daniels. Unlike your average FTM transgender, he's pansexual!

http://i.imgur.com/gQn6i.png

He has two simultaneous love interests, graduated from University with honors and a History major, and he's currently one of the only Sims on whom I don't use cheat codes!

Sorry, I know nobody cares.

[Simsica]

Sorry, I know nobody cares.

I do :) I want to see more TG Sims. And hear more stories/bios of everyone's favorite natural or supernatural alt-sexuals, be it alien bi, vampire gay, zombie-Borg pansexuals, or just the plain ordinary LGBTs.

Another question about playing them.
In the real world, there are obviously multiple problems these people meet in their everyday life - from plain shame (though there's nothing plain about shame) to the outright violence and even death.

So the question.

Do you make them face that ugly reality in your games - possibly with the simple intention of making it more realistic or perhaps because you want to play out their resistance and victory over the prejudice?
If you do, how do you play it?

Or do you just enjoy their presence and treat them just as any other Sim - normally?

I myself do the latter. And I'd be interested to hear moar gameplay involving solutions, possibly with rules and die rolls, things like that :)

[maxon]

If I play any sim that is not similar to me (and that is most of them), what I am usually interested in is exploring the experience. I'm not sure shame has much to do with it.

[Fivey]

It's kind of hard to try to push any sense of discrimination against my sims, since they're just not the types.

The Fleurada line was founded by a bisexual Romance sim, who married another bisexual Romance sim in a shotgun wedding. I think story-wise, the most prejudiced would be the family sims, who like seeing grandkids. They never show it though. The population of homosexuals in Middleground is low, but it's a pretty tolerant community.

My Strangetown appears to be turning out wildly colorful, with most of the male ALT dormies ending up as non-heterosexual due to ACR. Male ALT dormies also tend to be blond-haired green-eyed, too. Weird. There seems to be plenty of gays within Bluewater Village, and for some reason a lot of lesbian townies in Strangetown. Chloe Curious encountered three or four lesbians during her time as a prostitute, including what I think was either a reviewer or a police officer...

Neither hoods have a decent trans populations, though I have a crossdresser in ALT right now. I think I also have a dormie MtF at Sim State.

[Simsica]

I'm not sure shame has much to do with it.

I've gotten the opposite impression from some books I was reading, written by the queer theorists of the normal and sexuality, or the "normal" sexuality. Shame is a powerful tool of any oppression.

It was so even with slavery - in slavery's case it had to do with the slave's loss of honor, almost in each slaver culture described as a "reason" why another human could enslave any other human.

[Peni Griffin]

Of course in the real world shame is inculcated for most sexual feelings by somebody, and very destructive of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is.

There's a limit to how much discrimination can be modeled in the game, since the coding left all that out. Drama Acres is set in twenty-and-a-halfth century Simerica, which in a lot of ways is more progressive than twenty-first century America. The most convenient place to put orientation discrimination is in the choices made for subcultures and the interpretation of behavior. My core families, prior to the Great Unobtainium Mine Disaster, never thought about individual sexual preference at all - they were focused on survival. Everybody had as many kids as they could, and not everybody had free choice of partner given the drastic state of inbreeding, the smallness of the population, and the level of mutation caused by lifelong exposure to unobtainium. The important emotional issues of the survivors, who won unimaginable levels of freedom and prosperity at the cost of the lives of practically everyone they'd ever known, had to do with survival guilt. Eppie and Greg's discovery that they had a radically different sexual identity was just one more thing on the list of Stuff We Couldn't Do Before, and not nearly as radical as going to college or choosing how to make a living. The only family I thought likely to object was the Hawkinses, and they put paid to that possibility when Goz called Ashleigh Pitts-Upsnott up after her date with his youngest daughter Kestrel, took her on an outing, and got along great with her. They might not understand it, but Eppie and Greg have already demonstrated that the gay lifestyle doesn't exclude production of grandchildren so heck, whatever makes their kids happy. However, I've interpreted Harlan Hawkins's complete inability to make friends with either of his grandparents as a basic disjunct between his outlook on life and theirs, of which his sexual orientation is only a part.

Official discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation doesn't exist, but personal discrimination does, and makes a perfectly good backstory experience. I needed three different different backstories on the Thyme girls, since the four of them have different mothers (so I could use more of my custom skins and broaden the genetic base of the hood), and I needed a lesbian, so Justine Thyme came to live with her father after her mother joined a superconservative cult and kicked her out for being gay. Naomi Gavigan was hesitant to come out to her parents because Mary and Nathan profess a religion widely perceived as unaccepting, and this was one reason her teen years were difficult, but when push came to shove and they turned out to have a lesbian daughter and a gay grandson, the fact that they love their daughter and grandson outweighs any squick their orientation causes. Ashleigh Pitts-Upsnott's parents live by appearances, and she wasn't sure where they stood on the issue. Her dad was weirded out, but her mom figured out what was up with her long before she came out, and coming-out turned into a big non-event.

My Guasimalan families, coming from a macho culture, officially regard gay men as feminine and can't grasp the reality of lesbians at all, so they're officially and casually homophobic, and this is the explanation for initial friction between Esteban Casa (who picks fights with everybody) and his teammate Greg Aerius. But as is true with most people who are prejudiced in theory, individual cases warrant individual exceptions, and there's nothing effeminate about Greg, so in the end his basketbase skills made his personal life acceptable and his right hook made the point about what kinds of jokes were and were not acceptable to make. When Lucas Iana flirted with his friend Paul Curian in high school, and they subsequently had a big blow up after catching each other with their girlfriends, Lucas assumed the fight was over orientation issues and Paul assumed it was over issues of sexual constancy - you don't flirt with somebody and then act like nothing happened!

So basically I use discrimination when it's suitable for story traction, but I don't force it on my sims.

[May93]

I did have some evil parents who murdered one of their daughters. They had a gay teenage daughter who was very scared of being murdered but luckily the parents got killed first. (They were killed by death. I have a final destination kind of thing going on in my neighbourhood). Anyway it's kind of ironic because of their surviving children (two got killed by death. They deserved it) there is a gay man, two gay women, a bisexual woman and an asexual woman (she's the parent of the grim reaper's child but that was a virgin birth kind of thing).

Other than that, I don't usually have intolerance because this is a game, I want to escape that kind of thing.

[saskganesh]

Does anybody know whether it would be different if he lived on the lot? The only illegitimate child born in my game to-date similarly rolled no wants for his absentee father. He might as well have been an alien birth in that regard.

I have lots of bastards and I don't know.

For example, Otto (Skorzeny) Calliente had 4 children (two sets of twins) with the rather misguided Jennifer Cabot. He would come by the condo for booty calls every now and then, but his children Otto, Odette, William and Wanda never rolled daddy wants for him. The feeling was mutual.

However, more recently Davos Dreamer and Kea (Bear) Dreamer had a nasty split over some hussy (Safana Bricabot irc). Kea moved downtown with their toddler Dundas. Dundas had one day left in toddlerhood and was pretty shaken up by the breakup, but the very same day Davos showed up at the new house anyway and let himself in forthwith. Playable Dundas was able to get Davos to "Pay Attention to Him", and in doing so fulfill "Snuggle with" and "Play with" wants.

I am thinking though, that Want Window was temporary. All this was before 6PM and Dundas may have thought he was still in the old house, so to speak. At 6PM reset, I suspect Dundas would not have recognised Davos specifically as Daddy.

Of course, all this may have been because of a high relationship score. In my first example, Otto never really got to know his kids until he was a very old man and they were adults, sniffing around for some inheritance money.

[iCad]

@MattShizzle: Please don't take this as me coming down on you or judging you or something, because that's totally not what it is. But I AM curious. Whenever I see a post of yours, it usually has to do with something you hate about the game and wanting to get rid of those things. So, I'm curious about why you like/play the game at all. Not that it's an entirely on-topic kind of question but, like I said, I'm curious because people's motivation for playing this game tends to interest me, especially when the interest in playing it seems almost paradoxical, in a way, as it does with you.

I wish we could get some of our more uptight politicians to sim out their dream worlds instead of trying to impose them on us--and that goes for all the parties.

^This. Totally. And not just politicians. But in the case of politicians, getting them addicted to the complete power trip that is Simming might mean they wouldn't get any work done. Then again, with politicians that MIGHT be a good thing, since when they DO do something, oftentimes it changes things for the worse. :lol:

As to discrimination in general: While I realize that it is a real phenomenon and that it's often a cultural and/or a generational bias that creates it, it's not something I'm really interested in Simming, myself. I think to an extent Simmers, if they aren't striving for realism, often create their "dream world" instead. In mine, when it comes to discrimination of the type associated with sexuality, my game mirrors my own ideal. Which is, in short, a hippie free love kind of attitude: So long as whatever is going on is all between consenting individuals of appropriate ages who like, if not love, each other and it isn't hurting/affecting anyone else, it's all good, and there's no reason that anyone else should get their knickers in a knot over it.

RE: zombies: Hey, some of mine are apparently hot. I don't know if it's because I happen to have a lot of Sims with zombie-ism as a turn-on or something, but whenever one of mine shuffles onto a community lot thinking about brains, a lot of heart-farting over them tends to happen. Seriously. More so than what happens for vampires which, so it seems, are hot in many real humans' eyes. :lol: I've got a lot of zombies in my game because I cheat to allow them to procreate. (I figure that if undead vampires can do it, then undead zombies should be able to as well. Fair's fair.) And since supernaturalism is "heritable" in my game and zombies can live and procreate forever...Well, I end up with a lot of folks of the rotting flesh persuasion. Which, as noted, is apparently hot in many Sims' eyes. :lol: I don't get it, but...Well, like I said, free love, man. Free love. :)

[labellavienna]

Homophobia and Trans ignorance makes me sad =[

[Lady L.]

Most of my sims are straight, I only make them gay or lesbian if I have a reason to. Like in my favourite now-deleted hood, I made one of my girls a lesbian because I didn't want her to compete for her twin sister's boyfriend.

Currently, though, I have a bisexual pleasure sim named Juanita Mendez, and a lesbian former-townie whose name I can't recall. I have often wondered how Juanita's coming-out would go. I think her father (family/fortune) would prefer she marry a man--'cause he'll no doubt want lots of grandkids. I do have the option in my game for a sperm donor, but being as she's a pleasure sim, she probably won't roll the want.

[dtfan]

Okay okay, since my last post about Myles was well-received, I was inspired to create another one! And hey, it's fun writing about my Sims anyway. ^-^

http://i.imgur.com/WKOuK.png

Here's a picture of Myles and his girlfriend Neral. Usually what I do is call up Neral one day, and then call up his boyfriend Paul the next. They've yet to meet each other, and I intend to keep it that way!

http://i.imgur.com/h9H3g.png

This is Myles and his boyfriend Paul. ♥

On another note, Myles became a permaplat Sim today, making him my third non-cheating Sim to do so!

[Simsica]

I only used discrimination route in one of my Sims' backstories thus far. It's the bakery owner/artist Vince Levine, a single parent to a teen male, Karl (the cutest little redhead Sim I ever saw!). They moved to my Everville because of homophobic violence that the two of them faced after Vince came out as gay. His wife left him, his kid decided to stay though, but had issues in school because of his Dad.

And they ran to Everville to have a chance of a decent life. Everville is just that kind of community: artistic, hippy freedom-lovers congregate there. The town was practically abandoned due to the drastic climate change that turned it into a desert. Now town's officials do anything to fill it with people again, and everyone is welcome, especially if they are creative and can do something creative to support themselves - like paint, make toys, flower arrangements or robots, pottery or saw clothes. And Vince both makes wonderful cakes as well as beautiful paintings - he's become a pillar of the community, all right.

I guess I'm one of those who build personal utopias too. And we are in majority, it seems :)

Agreed on those politicians, iCad. How true.

[m31andy]

My self-sim family is gay (which probably tells you something about me!), and their best friend also. I've a hippy gay commune on the hill (I'm playing Belladonna Cove), but they're all de facto townies now. I've been playing my legacy family for a while almost exclusively and so far everyone is straight (or at least bisexual, with a tendency to settle down with the opposite sex). One of the legacy family is a crossdresser and has just got engaged to an ex-cheerleader - which is going to make for some interesting dates. She has a tendency to go out in public in her llama costume!

Hmm. I think I need more gay folk in my legacy family. Now that's something to think about...

:P

Andy

[MuletotheFoxxes]

Well my witch wound up gay. I just had her summon the sim that she has the highest natural chemistry with that she knows. One of the twins wound up with one of his male lovers. Which he had far more of than female lovers. =D Things shall be interesting though because his sister is now dating one of his few female lovers. The other twin wound up with a girl though. So far only straight one of the second generation. Only one brother remaining and he's too focused on college and his eventual career to go looking. Might actually wait to do that with him until he tops sports. Even he though might wind up gay. Seeing as how I go for the one with the highest chemistry, regardless of gender.

[M-hzer]

I am not forked, but i at least made my CAS sim marry Malcolm (if you don't understand, the cas sim is male).

[snaveskins]

I have a good amount of homosexual Sims in my game. I just have to create better stories for them. I have a sim who owns a beauty salon and his boyfriend is in the Military. I have his boyfriend living on a military base while his best friend Jasper Huntington who's gay too is living with him.

Sometimes I create families without parents just siblings, so a lot of families consist of sims with gay or lesbian uncles or aunts who haven't had their own children yet.

I have 1 transgendered Sim.

[LaurellKH]

I have gay and bi men but women are straight.

[Frostwyrm]

My hood is quite young, most families are fresh out of CAS and not played yet, but I created a male, married gay couple.
I'm not quite sure whether one of them might be bisexual, but this is given to his general open-minded and eccentric way of life.

[ieta_cassiopeia]

I generally play with a mixture of orientations in the neighbourhood, with men and women straight, gay/lesbian and bi. It's not particularly a planned thing so much as looking at what a Sim wants to do, their current relationships, their circumstances and (if relevant) their previous relationships to decide if a given romance makes sense. If a particular romance sets (or changes) the orientation of the Sim, that's absolutely fine. Two days ago, I got the first "new" romance since I restarted the neighbourhood (i.e. a romance that wasn't carried over from the previous version of the 'hood) between Circe Beaker and Nina Caliente. Both were single and not in love with anyone else due to events in the previous version of the neighbourhood* and the way events worked when Nina was visiting Circe's lab, it made sense for them to fall in love and thus surprise me by being bi rather than straight. They're now happily living together in Circe's lab, with university drop-out/test subject Castor (straight) and schoolgirl Imane (too young to be worrying about this sort of thing). It's promising to be a very exciting household.

* - Circe lost her husband about 8 months ago after an (electrical) experiment went wrong. Nina moved out of the original Caliente house 4 months ago to bring up young Imane (her ex-lover's daughter from a previous relationship). Circe also got a new "test subject" when the neighbourhood restarted because Nervous had moved out to help look after another family's children. I figured it was easier to make the families in CAS - especially since I'd originally obtained the Beakers and Calientes by transferring neighbourhoods, before I learned that was a bad idea.