The proposing sim offers it at the beginning of the proposal scene, and as the music dies, before they hug, the accepting sim takes it out of the box, puts it on his finger, and holds his hand out to admire it.

Was that the answer to what you were asking?

Does the Sim that proposes even get a ring? (My two playable Sims in college are my only playables at the moment. From what I can tell the Sim that proposed doesn't have a ring, the Sim he proposed to does have her ring, which she got in the cut scene. Its been one semester since he proposed, and he still doesn't have a ring (I'm not sure how that would relate to in terms of days in a normal hood.)

This nudging might not be enough. At least that's what I remember from my experience with clean templates. My families were always alone in hotels, and I've tried to pull out noregen mods.

Yes, that's why I said it "should" work. Usually having someone check into a hotel is enough to push my game into spawning tourists. Once or twice it didn't work for some reason and I'm still not sure what the problem was.

In my game, both Sims get the diamond ring. And no smobie1, I was asking about the sim that does the proposing, not the sim they propose to Looking back at screenshots none of the proposing Sims have a ring in the screenshots following the proposing, but they all have one eventually. Hard to tell how soon it shows up, because apparently my screenshots rarely show the left hand of the sim.

I think I rarely have engagements long enough to notice when the proposing sim might get a ring. I need to play more uni students...

So I'm experiencing a pretty weird bug and can't find anything when I google it, so I'm wondering if anyone here knows what could be going on. I moved Dirk, Lilith and their son into one apartment in a block, and Angela, Dustin and their daughter into a different apartment in the same block. Played Angela and Dustin for a few days, that was fine. Switched to the other household and realised Dirk and Lilith already had enough money for a house, so I moved them out of the apartment and into a house then played them for a few days. Went back to play Angela and Dustin later on, and the apartment next door is completely visible, as though it's part of the same house. I can see Dirk and Lilith inside the apartment, and they're acting completely normal (mostly just making out and WooHooing ) but the apartment shows as vacant, and they definitely don't live there anymore.



Does anyone have any idea what's happened here, and how I can fix it? I'm worried about playing that household now in case I somehow mess things up further.

This happens all the time when sims move out of an apartment. Delete the ghosts with move_objects and you'll be right as rain again.

Alright thanks! Just worried me because I'd never seen it before and couldn't find anything when searching.

Not super helpful, but I noticed my most recent sim that proposed didn't have her engagement ring until she returned from taking a spin in the car (same day as the proposal). She didn't have a ring before she left, but as soon as she was back home and got out of the car, I saw it was on her finger. I'm not sure if it was a matter of a certain amount of time passing, or if it had something to do with leaving the lot and returning?

Alternately, moving another family in there usually boots out the ghosts. Moveobjects is easier though.

I should think leaving the lot and returning forced a texture update. That's what often happens.

That's interesting. After they graduated, I moved them into a lot into the main hood, and the male Sim's engagement ring finally showed up. He never had it the whole time he was in college, but he had it the minute I loaded their lot in the main hood. I think the people talking about moving lots or leaving and coming back may be on to something.

Yeah that's so common I'm surprised you couldn't find anything about it. I usually use "fix bad apartment residencies" on batbox, or go into the memories of the recently moved out sims and remove their "apartment resident" and/or "hotel key" tokens, depending on what got left behind. The game just doesn't clear these properly when sims leave apartments - that includes non-playable townies who leave when you move in a playable family too.

I sometimes get stuck "hotel key" tokens after dormies move out too - or maybe it's "door key", I can't remember. Not sure if it happens with actual hotels though.

Devon Aster's correct that you can't influence anyone to write a term paper if your own sim has not already at least barely started it---just like no other sim can do your student's HW for them if no HW object has been generated. So your sim always has to at least sit down and start the term paper (I usually get them to 1%) before they can influence anyone on campus.
EDIT: At least with Squinge's Mega College Pack, it's looking like the above isn't necessary on Maxis computers for YAs in the main hood. However, it's possible that it is still necessary if the only computer type on the lot is cc, such as Monique's computer; see the end of this later post in this thread, as well as gummilutt's follow-up with the details of a bit of testing she'd done. Testing still needed.

gummi, you are correct that this is a documented issue with Squinge's pack: students don't have the option to influence anyone to write term papers when they are attending college in the main hood. I would love to know whether @Devon Aster has any mods that enable this, if it's definitely the case that their main-hood-uni sims can Influence to Write Term Paper.
Edit: This is no longer be an issue if you have Squinge's College Interactions on Any Lot dated September 11, 2014 or newer. See posts further down this thread for details, starting here. Most important, check this post to find out why you might surprisingly not have the updated version of CIAL either, *even if you started using the Mega College Pack after September 2014!*



Some cc computers seem to cause glitches with the influenced sim getting started with finishing the paper, I agree. But I never deliberately turn off dorm computers, Maxis or otherwise, and have never had that be any obstacle to an influenced term paper getting done. However...I'm guessing what you're seeing there is that when the computer isn't off, some random dormie or visitor is more likely to have already targeted it for whatever they want to use a computer for. That means the chair is already considered in use before the influenced sim gets there...which stops them from sitting down and getting the term paper done. And then the action may drop from their queue.
Edit: I've realized this: in my hoods where I use the on-sim menu of Pescado's autonomycontrol to globally ban autonomous usage of all computers, Influence...Write Term Paper works throughout Uni hoods without requiring that any computers, even Monique's, are already turned off (I never tell sims to turn off computers unless I need the computer in inventory for moving). If stopping sims from autonomously using computers fixes the problem Fearless Butterfly reports, then it's even more likely that those autonomous attempts to use it were the problem, rather than the on/off status of the machine.





I can confirm this is the case. Squinge's pack allows all college actions from the main hood...except Influence for term papers.(edit: no exceptions now, when fully patched---see above in this post) My YA Tessa Ramirez, while visiting her parents as their lot was being played, walked off lot at her usual class time and left her toddler brother alone despite having been asked by her mom to watch him and despite having stayed for a couple hours already while watching TV and with served food on the lot (so, she wasn't leaving just because no one playable was home---I have Squinge's hack that allows sims on regular residential lots to Ask to Watch Kids). Social worker showed up and I quit without saving. I was only experimenting at the time with how a campus-uni YA would act in the main hood with Squinge's college pack in, but as soon as I quit, I kinda started regretting it! Could definitely have been a great storyline to have mom come home and find both her grown daughter and toddler gone...





Cyjon gave a great tip in this post in an older thread, and since I started using it, every hotel I ever check into is fully populated (or as fully populated as I need it to be, if I choose to bail earlier). And yes, I have the full suite of no-regen mods in also. I really think his simple tip is the ticket, though it cuts down on your first-day vacation freedom.

(I'm thinking maybe I should start evangelizing harder about old threads...like I said over here, there's tons of great information in them, often reflecting the best the community has even today been able to figure out---just because so many excellent longtime modders, who knew all this stuff, are no longer active. Considering the popularity of threads like the one we're in, it makes me sad that many of the most definitive answers to so many of these questions is kinda on the verge of being lost...to lack of Googling, and maybe to folks' not realizing/believing that the older info is often still the most solid and best-researched that we have.)

YA in the main hood do leave for class whether they are 'doing' uni or not. I have to click it off if they are working or bumming around.

I wonder if there's a way to disable the leaving-for-class if they're not playable at the moment.

I would pause, make selctable and click it off if you think they are leaving. It would be nice though if it didn't push itself on non controllable sims.

That is super helpful! That is what I was suspecting might be required. And thanks for reminding me about the go for a spin thing, I had forgotten about it. Will definitely help with testing. And thanks Orion for reporting back about your YA couple. Very helpful Hopefully I can track it down now.



The guardian for the interaction doesn't check for a started term paper, but it's possible the action bhav fails if there isn't one started. I will take a look.

I don't know about Devon, but I updated Squinge's mod to also fix influencing. I'll probably put it on my tumblr, feels too small to merit being on MTS.

@gummilutt Thank you as always for your study of the code.

Oh, good, thanks for the update to Squinge's. But...I did just find something really interesting when looking at the original page for Squinge's pack.

It says that in September of 2014, he added an update to specifically enable Influence Write Term Paper. It's confusing because there's a typo in his note about the update, near the bottom of that thread-starting post of his, so it reads that it was September of 2004 that that happened.

But his title says September 2014, and the system's timestamp at the bottom of that post says he last changed it...September 2014. And indeed, the problem (can't influence to write term papers in the main hood) was reported at the end of that thread in September 2014, right before he made the change. And then after that date, another poster thanked him for the update.

So this all seems to indicate that the version of Squinge's pack on that page (and, I guess, specifically the College Interactions on Any Lot package, v. 1.1?) is supposed to permit Influence Term Paper.

Therefore, now I would really love to get to the bottom of this (and edit to add a strikethrough in my last post, if I'm wrong!) but I still can't test anything in my game for months more. But...perhaps this will take us toward understanding: were you using the 1.1 version of College Interactions on Any Lot? (I'll edit my tagged question to Devon Aster previously to ask the same.) Started to, and then...here's Devon!

Well, it seems I stumbled onto a solution for that, though I didn't know that was a known problem! I was able to recently get a YA sim to Influence another YA playable to finish writing their term paper. I believe it was possible because they were in main hood dorm using Lion's Gold Record mod. It was a converted apartment building where I rezoned to Residential, swapped the apartment doors for Myne doors, hung up the Gold Record, and rezoned to Dorm. I'll be honest that I very rarely get wants to Influence to write Term Paper, so I couldn't tell you if I somehow managed to get it to work before (this is the first time I've used the Gold Record mod).

Edit: It seems @natboopsie and I were composing posts around the same time. I just checked the dates on the related files and it does seem I have the updated version. (I suspected so as I've only had the game since EA made the Ultimate Collection free, but I wanted to be certain.) Though I reiterate it's something I've done so rarely I couldn't tell you if I ever tried it with a YA in the main hood and got it to work.



I almost mentioned it might be an issue with cc computers (I use Monique ones) but as I hadn't actually tested it I wasn't sure I should. Your suggestion of why a turned off computer works better could be another plausible reason. I've had a mod in for quite a while that prevents sims from autonomously turning off computers. I think I had it before I got the Monique computers. So even with a Maxis computer, I might still run into trouble.

Wholesale edit: Heh, wrote you a whole reply, and then you said this...



Got it. OK, so actually the important thing is really that you can't be sure whether your successful Influence...Write Term Paper actually happened in the main hood or not. Which is important to clarify also, so I appreciate you popping in to comment. But, you've got the right version of Squinge's mod, so at least you've got the best chance at getting it to work when you try!

So...back to waiting to see what version of Squinge's College Interactions on Any Lot gummilutt has.

Edit 2: Or anyone else---if you have Squinge's Mega College Pack plus Squinge's CIAL that is newer than September 11, 2014...and your main-hood YAs can Influence other sims to Write Term Paper, please let us know! In fact...I'm going to tag @LilSister in case she can tell us, because she thanked Squinge for his 2014 update, and I know LilSister to be a careful tester.

Can sims change the TV channel or the stereo station autonomously?

I always have my vacationing sims spend their first whole day at the hotel too, but I think that's a different issue. The person Cyjon was replying to was making their own tourists and having trouble getting them to appear in the game. JDacapo isn't making her own tourists. She just wants her game to automatically spawn them by itself and it isn't doing that for some reason. Usually having a playable check into a hotel should nudge the game into autospawning them all (you may notice some lag while it does this).

In my current copy of Veronaville (made from Tarlia's clean template), the Capp family were the first playables to visit a vacation destination. I sent them straight to their beach house and played them through at least two days before I finally noticed that there were no tourists at any of the lots they'd visited. I went back to the base hood and sent the Monty family to one of the hotels. Once they had checked in, the game spawned all the tourists. I did have one or two other 'hoods where my playables stayed at the hotel for a day or more and no tourists were ever spawned, but for most of my hoods checking in a playable works just fine.

TV channel I know they can, and some of my sims do it regularly (I have all the EPs SPs). Stereo stations I don't monitor that much, so can't tell you/