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Alchemist
Original Poster
#1 Old 2nd May 2016 at 12:52 AM
Default Dear 'Muricans...
..Who's the worst? Who would you never vote for, who would you vote for given the present circumstances? Who WOULD you vote for?* Why?
Hillary? http://lawnewz.com/video/bill-clint...rver-as-a-game/
Trump? http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/...nt-Be-President
Bernie? http://louderwithcrowder.com/busted...th-doesnt-work/

Please state your reasoning.

(Links provided by Google. I thought to Google search the biggest issues w/any given candidate, and from an outsider's POV, these are what may come up.)

*Outer opinions valued in this thread. AKA no, you don't have to be American to have an opinion or defend it. Please argue your points, ESP as cultures much older and wiser than ours. c:

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Mad Poster
#2 Old 7th May 2016 at 3:08 PM Last edited by simmer22 : 8th May 2016 at 8:03 PM.
I'm not an American, but the person who wins the election has a lot of power, and what they do with it can influence the rest of the world in minor or major ways.

I'm not sure about the two others, but if I happened to be American I would never vote for Trump, not even if he was the only candidate to choose from. That guy is from everything I've seen in the news and otherwise the most likely to run the country to ruins, and I have yet to hear anything that resembles something intelligent come out of his mouth. Plus, the guy can't even run a company without it eventually going to the ruins. How could anyone trust him to run a country?

My guess is that the only reason he's still in the game is that he's a smooth talker (and not in a good way).

If possible, I'd go for Obama another 4 years, but I guess that option isn't available.
Theorist
#3 Old 8th May 2016 at 1:09 AM
Cruz may have seemed less offensive but would have been way worse than Trump. But if Trump gets in office he will have an all republican Congress to start off with. Cripes.
Scholar
#4 Old 9th May 2016 at 7:12 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Shoosh Malooka
Cruz may have seemed less offensive but would have been way worse than Trump. But if Trump gets in office he will have an all republican Congress to start off with. Cripes.


Except, the Republican establishment hate him and will work against him to "prove" how bad of a choice he was for "the people" to elect. It's a sad state to know the top 3 candidates are regarded as 1) A bigoted imbecile of a bully 2) A liar and 3) Not in touch with reality.

Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupid.
Mad Poster
#5 Old 14th May 2016 at 11:37 AM
Quote: Originally posted by kattenijin
1) A bigoted imbecile of a bully 2) A liar and 3) Not in touch with reality.

That's the U.S. in a nutshell really.

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Test Subject
#6 Old 27th May 2016 at 6:57 PM
I love Donald Trump XD I also like Bernie Sanders, I would pick him over Cruz. I am pretty chill with politics so I never bash anyone though I get bashed all the time XD
Theorist
#7 Old 4th Jun 2016 at 1:44 AM
I sometimes don't get it. What for strange combination of people is the Republican party? It has immigrants hating other immigrants, selfish pricks from the Forbes 500 and extremely conservative christians. In my country these are all different parties.

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Original Poster
#8 Old 16th Jun 2016 at 12:50 PM
Quote: Originally posted by SuperTrouper
I love Donald Trump XD I also like Bernie Sanders, I would pick him over Cruz. I am pretty chill with politics so I never bash anyone though I get bashed all the time XD


Okay...




Why???

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Theorist
#9 Old 16th Jun 2016 at 7:16 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Viktor86
I sometimes don't get it. What for strange combination of people is the Republican party? It has immigrants hating other immigrants, selfish pricks from the Forbes 500 and extremely conservative christians. In my country these are all different parties.


They're all reactionaries. Not conservatives, Democrats are conservatives. Republicans are basically the party of 1850 values: Exploitation without moral conceit, immigrants are only for labor, only the wealthy can vote, pro-white, anti-minority, pro-religion, anti-science...Reactionaries.
Forum Resident
#10 Old 17th Jun 2016 at 8:42 PM
Anyone else supporting a third party candidate? I like Gary Johnson because he's balanced the budget of his state and will be able to do so for the nation. Even more so, I like his FairTax and prebate plan. The prebate is like the annual tax refund, but divided up among 12 months to give money in advance to help families with the FairTax expenses. I think the prebate would help keep people like me and my family from blowing their income tax refunds on wants instead of needs and being broke the rest of the year.

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Theorist
#11 Old 17th Jun 2016 at 9:03 PM
No one can "balance the budget of the nation" from the White House. No one. It's simply not possible, because the President doesn't have an ounce of control over the national budget. The President essentially gets an allowance like every other agency, along with a list of things he's allowed to spend money on. The only people with the power to manage spending in government are Congress, and even they're limited to a large degree by existing laws - the only way to get out from under that is to do like Ted Cruz did and try to get Congress to not pay the bills. That's stupid though, because "not paying the bills" when you're running a fiat currency economy means you're tanking the faith in currency, which means you're tanking the essence of the value of your currency.

Better yet, lets all stop talking about the "national debt." It's not debt. It's the amount of national investment. People have trillions of dollars invested in the well-being and success of our nation, enough that our bonds are some of the most cherished anywhere. People have faith in the US economy, therefore they all want a piece of that economy and they're willing to give us money based on that faith on the trust that we'll be able to repay them in the future. That's all it is. It's not the credit card companies and some vague international repo men lurking across the border in Canada waiting for the debt to get to high and take back the Washington Monument. That's how things work for individuals, but it's not at all how it works for national economies and currencies.
Field Researcher
#12 Old 26th Jun 2016 at 5:25 AM
Honestly at this point, none of them are good candidates.
Trump has the support, and people love him. But he doesn't think before he talks and this could cause so many problems with our international relations. He's also stubborn as hell, which can cause problems when trying to negotiate. And yes, he is a business man, but America isn't a business to be run by a CEO. It's a country that needs its senators, congressmen, and President to work together. Also, the republican party is split on their opinion of Trump, some support him, some don't. I may not know much about politics, but I know it's not a good thing for a party to be split on the candidate.

As for Hilary, I honestly don't know much about her policies. I don't know what she's for and against, so I can't make any reasonable judgement on her. From what I gather, she isn't a good choice. She flip flops and isn't liked by many. Young adults think she tries too hard to be hip, which is kinda true. As I write this I realize how little of an opinion I have on Hilary so I'm just gonna move on.

Bernie, oh, Bernie. Old, liked by young adults, and he's not going to get the nomination. Out of everyone, I liked Bernie the best. I know, typical of the American teen. However, I can see why people were spectacle of him. He's old, and many people said they were worried if he would be able to last four years. Also, many call him a socialist and he calls himself a 'socialist democrat,' what ever that means. And now, let's talk about the 'free college.' Really, I think it would be worth it for taxes to be just a little bit higher to pay for most, if not all, of college for people. Although this is coming from someone who doesn't pay taxes. However, think of the higher taxes as an investment. You're investing in the education of America's youth, and by extension, America's future. We don't need college that's 100% free, but any discount that can come from taxes would be worth it.

As I've said over and over again, I don't know much about politics, it's not my area of expertise.

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Theorist
#13 Old 26th Jun 2016 at 7:17 PM
Quote: Originally posted by HarVee
If Hillary supported the Muslim Brotherhood, which led to Sisi's reign and caused the two revolutions few years back, that I had lost much respect for her. Not that I had much to begin with though.


Well the thing to remember about the US and Egypt is that we're going to try to stay involved in Egyptian politics no matter what, much like we're going to try to stay involved with Israeli politics even though Netanyahu's a racist twat. Long-term allies are hard to find in the region, and despite some atrocious mischaracterizations in this thread about our international relations I think you'll find that at least for Israel, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia the US leans essentially conservative in that we're just not going to rock the boat for much less than an actual attack on the homeland. That's real, not political, conservatism.

Clinton's State Department was characterized more by a philosophy of tipping points and opportunism than anything else. It was very frugal in its actual overt actions versus handing peoples the materials and assurances to do something themselves. I think that's something of the essence of Clinton, for good or ill. Sometimes without hand holding you get not great resolutions, but I'll take it against the centralized top-down ego-driven fascism being pushed by Trump.
Theorist
#14 Old 28th Jun 2016 at 3:33 AM
Quote: Originally posted by Denver Hoxha
The US is hell-bent on finding someone to label and enemy rather than build peace in our time.


I'm sorry, I'm just going to announce that I really just can't take you seriously if you're going to quote Chamberlain at us as something that anyone should implicitly emulate for their politics. Everyone over here's just been laughing their asses off about that all day..
Theorist
#15 Old 28th Jun 2016 at 7:39 AM
I apologize for pointing out something that's clearly over your head. Bless your heart, you just go ahead and tell us how Mr. Trump's not a crook!
Theorist
#16 Old 28th Jun 2016 at 11:48 AM
If you can think to ask you already know the answer, right?
Test Subject
#17 Old 29th Jun 2016 at 6:57 AM
Firstly, I do believe you care about us and I really appreciate that, but seriously?
Quote: Originally posted by Denver Hoxha
People in Africa now have smartphones which allow them to access to mobile banking, roads are being paved, buildings are going up
Theorist
#18 Old 30th Jun 2016 at 3:19 AM
I'm thinking he's just milking the bull in any case at this point. Gaddafi was like the Scarface version of Pol Pot, Denver thinks that because the Italians and French wanted Libyan oil he suddenly stopped being a mass-murdering dictator. Sometimes no matter how much you want to raise a finger and explain in detail all the ways someone's wrong, the smart money's on stepping away and just letting the guy tug. The bull's going to provide the teaching moment eventually anyways, and when people are truly, completely, embarrassingly wrong I've just about decided that no one but the bull's going to do anyways. No one's going to admit that they're wrong in those circumstances, not until they eat their cereal.
Top Secret Researcher
#19 Old 1st Jul 2016 at 9:08 AM
Quote: Originally posted by Denver Hoxha
... geopolitical reality or history.

I guess this is as good a time as any to ask about your views of Enver Hoxha, vis-à-vis other major figures you've mentioned.
Theorist
#20 Old 2nd Jul 2016 at 4:16 AM
So basically you really, really like dictators...
Theorist
#21 Old 6th Jul 2016 at 6:28 PM
Well at least we know where Denver's getting his love of dictators from.

Donald Trump Praises Saddam Hussein
Theorist
#22 Old 6th Jul 2016 at 8:07 PM
Yeah, or that the reason they're in Iraq isn't because they weren't radicalized folks spilling out of Syria thanks to Assad being another one of those dictators Denver's been praising as some sort ally we should have been fluffing. Or that the other portion weren't radicalized thanks to Saddam Hussein and Maliki.

It's like the whole "African cell phones" thing. I think some people genuinely imagine the Middle East is entirely some sort of unified, backwards place where it's all deserts and... I dunno, genies and kids walking around with bombs strapped to their chests. People are so completely uninformed they've just got fiction to relate to. Even travel shows don't always fix this, because the hosts are entirely out of their element and aren't interacting with people on the right level.
Theorist
#23 Old 8th Jul 2016 at 2:35 AM
Serious, when does the American society, with a special call towards police, gonna learn we live in 2016 and quit racism and discrimination? For a country pretending to be the best teacher towards other countries and being a so called developed country, it's really bad.

''Afro American + a gun = dangerous'' Serious, such people without brains and ratio are police officers. Are the American police academies literally just like that comedian movie series or are they randomly picked from the streets and just given a badge?

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Forum Resident
#24 Old 8th Jul 2016 at 9:06 AM
My state has just elected Pauline Hanson to represent us in the senate... so I'm not really in a position to tell anyone what do to (please note I definitely did not vote for her in any way, shape or form).

But I do want to share a couple of observations. The electorates in Queensland with the highest votes for Hanson are areas with lots of unemployment, not much education, and a future that probably looks bleak to many people. But they also have very low levels of immigration - and yet they are the ones voting for a party that wants to stop (Muslim) immigrants from arriving, because they're "stealing our jobs". The same is true in the UK for the Brexit vote - areas with lots of immigrants tended to vote to remain in the EU, and the strong leave votes, to reduce immigration, were from areas that had very few immigrants.

So maybe some of the Americans who are thinking about voting for Trump because he'll keep the Mexicans/ Muslims/ whoever out... should go and actually get to know some of those immigrants. Because you might find that they're not so different after all... and the problem is with the government.
Instructor
#25 Old 12th Jul 2016 at 4:58 AM
Every Trump sentence has words. Sometimes three words. Or two. And they're great sentences. Terrific sentences. That I can tell you. Believe me. They're great. With the best words. Terrific repeated words. Not very big words. Every Trump sentence has words.
 
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