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Nysha's New Creators for July - posted on 1st Aug 2018 at 9:00 AM
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Lab Assistant
Original Poster
#26 Old 20th Jun 2017 at 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ShigemiNotoge
The problem is that no one is really getting hurt anyway. No one is going to study to become a psychiatrist from a video game. I genuinely don't don't feel hurt by the inaccurate portrayal of mental illnesses I suffer from, especially in a fictional context. If it were a professional psychologist/psychiatrist portraying the symptoms inaccurately. Or an in-depth documentary or clinical study that got things wrong, then I would be a lot more concerned and disappointed. I'm more worried about getting an accurate treatment for the illnesses I suffer from than an accurate portrayal in popular media and Hollywood. No one is going to take a video game seriously.

Fiction can't hurt anyone, that's what's so fun about it.


I think you meant to say " you are not personally hurt by this in any way" Because ´you´ not being hurt by it, does not mean that anyone else are not...
Personally; I felt weirded out, when I saw how this trait was displayed even though I knew it was a fictional and humorous take on something that is very damn serious irl... I was able to see past it; for my own good and because I did see that it wasn't suppose to display the condition in a very serious way. However; some people out there might actually find it hurtful, when people take something as serious as an antisocial trait and makes "fun" of it, without even explaining in the describtion; that it does not display a realistic version of what it is to be antisocial...

There are also people out there; who possibly doesn't have a strong sense of what is real and what is not meant to be real. Those people might see this trait as displaying a little too much of what it actually means to be antisocial. I am not trying to say that people will see a trait for ts4 as realism by default, but some people might take it more serious than others... If they do, then it could be harmful and shape a very unrealistic pre-justice against people who suffer with being antisocial..
I am not sure how else to put it...

I am not against traits that are clearly a humorous take on something even if that something is a serious matter; but I am against not explaining to people, that it is supposed to be an unrealistic and humorous take on it.

I hope that you can understand my point now...

Also; you say " No one is going to take a video game seriously " and that "fiction cannot hurt anyone"... I must say that I strongly disagree with you on that...
I wish that everyone could see fiction for what it was, when needed; but that is not the case in many situations.. People read into everything and some fictional stories will always be taken much more seriously, than intended by the writer of them..
Theorist
#27 Old 20th Jun 2017 at 9:04 PM
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Originally Posted by VerDeTerre
Let's not attack the straw man. This isn't an argument about accuracy in the game, it's specifically about not deliberately misrepresenting a population of people in a negative manner.

.-. That post was intended at a 100% sarcastic, comedic break from a heavy topic that's clearly got many people upset... please don't taint it.
Mad Poster
#28 Old 20th Jun 2017 at 9:18 PM Last edited by VerDeTerre : 20th Jun 2017 at 9:36 PM.
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Originally Posted by ShigemiNotoge
.-. That post was intended at a 100% sarcastic, comedic break from a heavy topic that's clearly got many people upset... please don't taint it.
Wait...that was sarcastic? So, does that mean that you didn't mean any of the following?
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First of all; it is a video game. It is intended to be displayed in a fictional way whether that is expressly stated or not.

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IDK about anyone else, but I have never once seen something in the sims 4 and thought "wow, this must be a 100% accurate portrayal of real life. There is no possible way anything in this could be exaggerated or inaccurate. I'm going to take this at face value as being real and true."

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No one is going to take a video game seriously.
Fiction can't hurt anyone, that's what's so fun about it.

Because the photo you provided and your quip (Both of which were funny!) did seem to be backing up those claims. I didn't mean to taint anything. The sarcasm is a bit confusing online.

This is a heavy topic. Most topics in the debate section are....

Addicted to The Sims since 2000.
Theorist
#30 Old 20th Jun 2017 at 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by VerDeTerre
Wait...that was sarcastic? So, does that mean that you didn't mean any of the following?



Because the photo you provided and your quip (Both of which were funny!) did seem to be backing up those claims. I didn't mean to taint anything. The sarcasm is a bit confusing online.

This is a heavy topic. Most topics in the debate section are....

Someone mentioned the baby BBQ mod. I remembered a funny picture that reminded me of it. I felt I'd share it for a lighthearted, innocent moment in an otherwise very heavy topic.

A sim who enjoys being cooked, both as a baby and now as an adult - it's a comical concept that puts a new spin on the mod's intention.
Theorist
#33 Old 20th Jun 2017 at 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Reitanna
wait, there's an anorexia trait that didn't get removed for being inaccurate? well that's dumb, eating disorders ARE mental illnesses. I almost feel like it's hypocritical. then again, I haven't heard nice things about the mods here.

I think she's upset that it DID get taken down, that's the issue, because she enjoyed the trait.

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Originally Posted by Reitanna
an earlier post of mine is a perfect reply to this very close minded and insensitive statement. not everyone is you.

I think BOTH sides are being closed minded, and that's the bigger issue.
Theorist
#35 Old 20th Jun 2017 at 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Reitanna
oh, I misunderstood... well then that's still just as bad. as for your second statement, what do you mean?

I think both sides are unwilling to see each others' points of view.

The side that wants to prevent the spread of misinformation, even in a fictional context that could potentially cause harm and misunderstanding.

And the side that wants a free and open venue in which to express creativity and entertainment, free from the over-sensitivity of a politically correct society.

Both unwilling to understand where the other is coming from.

For example I don't understand how people are so easily hurt by things that don't matter. And you don't understand why I don't realise how much it matters. :x
Test Subject
#36 Old 21st Jun 2017 at 9:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Reitanna
T_T I use caps instead of italics for emphasis unless I need to emphasize the word "I." I'm sorry, but you cannot hear my tone of voice when you read my text, nor anyone else's. like I said, you would KNOW if I were raging at you, trust me, I am not subtle. you claim I was yelling at you. 'THIS IS YELLING!! THIS IS F***ING YELLING!! that's an example, I'm not actually yelling at you. and yeah, I did agree with you. and if you said something rude, then you said something rude. that's just how it is. I figure it's normal to be able to express thoughts like this without feeling annoyed or angry. honestly, I can't really remember the last time I got angry over something on the internet. but it's like... come on, don't assume things. if you're confused about someone's tone, then ASK the person how they meant it so you're not accusing someone of something. if you were to hear me speaking, it'd be a calm tone, which is the tone I am hearing in my head as I type it all out. I say what's on my mind, yes, but if it's not always pleasant to hear, it surely doesn't mean I'm in any way upset. I'm frustrated about people's reaction to the trait, but frustration isn't on par with anger. to me, I read my words and think my intent is obvious. I don't know if this is due to social anxiety, and I don't know how to speak to people, or if this is due to being sociopathic, which prevents me from realizing it could somehow be taken another way. to me, intention is clear, and through text, people have learned to emote because of the lack of ability to hear tone. I know I'm not the only person who uses capitalization as emphasis, I've seen it ALL the time for YEARS. I mean, when you look at a fully capitalized word, your brain automatically reads it with more emphasis. this is a point where I'd like to say, "duh," but then I have to remember that I've found sometimes what's obvious to me isn't so obvious to other people, and I honestly don't know or understand the reason behind it. whether or not I know how to speak to people, it is never okay to just blindly accuse someone of something with no justified explanation. as I said, if I were angry, what I'd be saying would get me banned from this site. I never sugarcoat things, I never beat around the bush, I'm straight forward like people should be. honestly, if you said something rude and I called you out on it, it should cause you to step back and reflect on your behavior. now, if somehow you are reading this in a sassy or angered tone, please turn back and read it in a calm, professional one. a misunderstanding due to no audible voice is not a fault of my own.


You're being very hypocritical. Let me break this down for you. The first time you replied to me, you replied to a small post I had made in which I just said I think mental illness should be portrayed accurately. Without knowing my tone, as you could not apply a voice to my words, you replied by saying I was being very very rude. So not only did you make assumptions about my tone, but you randomly insulted me for it. (for something that wasn't being rude at all)

When I called you out on that, and said you sounded angry at me, now you're saying that no one should assume anything about anyone's tone. And yet, you were the first one to do that. And instead of acknowledging that maybe I wasn't being rude, you're telling me that simply because you decided that I was rude, it means that I was indeed rude. AKA you're telling me what my intentions in my post were, regardless of anything else I say. And yet when I start doing that to you (by claiming you were angry) now you're ranting about how tone and voice is always obvious in your posts. So in conclusion you're saying that no one should ever assume anything about your tone, and yet they should also somehow know exactly what tone you're using, because it's obvious to you. You want me to give your tone the benefit of the doubt, and yet you've called me rude several times without knowing my tone.

Can't you see how hypocritical you're being?

And also, just a piece of advice; for writers, capitalizing letters is meant to convey yelling. If you just want to emphasize your words, you should italicize, underline, or bold. Because from a technical standpoint, capitalizing represents shouting, which is why you seemed so angry.
Lab Assistant
#37 Old 22nd Jun 2017 at 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Reitanna
an earlier post of mine is a perfect reply to this very close minded and insensitive statement. not everyone is you.


And not everyone is you, no one will ever be one hundred percent happy with a piece of custom content that connects to a real world issue. Some will like it, some won't, a some won't give a damn either way. The problem starts when people come in and begin to complain and demand that that piece of content be changed to their exact specifications otherwises it is to be taken down. That anyone who doesn't agree with them is wrong, that anyone who wants to use that piece of content is wrong. It is not yours or anyone else's decision what I do or do not use in my game, how realistic or how cartoonishly buffoonish I want my game.

This argument that it's somehow spreading 'misinformation' about what it's like to live with that type of mental illness, no it's not. You know why? Because this is a gaming forum and website, it's not a research website. Anyone looking for information on sociopathy or likewise mental illnesses aren't going to think; hmmm, should I go to health.gov or modthesims? No come comes here for information, them come here for mods, hairs, dumb traits, and to bitch about the fact that there's still no seasons in Sims 4.

If you get offended by something as mundane as a piece of game content, that says more about having an issue within yourself than it does with the actual content. Which is fine, everyone has issues that they need to deal with, it's part of life. But when you're in the, admittedly loud, minority attacking a creator for piece of harmless content, that's when you cross a line. Unless there's something truly heinous about the content, for example; racism, sexism, homophobia, violence against children (again must I point out the still hosted Baby BBQ?). Unless it's something extreme like that, then people who complain about something as silly as a sociopath trait come off as, and I'm going to use a technical term here, self important whiners. Saying that the trait made sociopath's seems cartoonish evil, of course it did, it's the Sims 4, they're cartoons!

Besides, I can't be the only person who actually knows sociopaths who actually are cartoonishly evil? I grew up with two of them in my house, it was like living with Snidely Whiplash.
Mad Poster
#38 Old 22nd Jun 2017 at 6:03 AM
All of those points were already raised in this thread and all of them have been responded to. To recap: People are not complaining about what people mod for the game or what they put in the game, but to simply include a disclaimer of sorts. It's fine to play with stereotypes, just please recognize that they are stereotypes.

Addicted to The Sims since 2000.
Mad Poster
#40 Old 23rd Jun 2017 at 3:34 AM
Has anyone read the rules to posting in the debate room lately? We've seem to be slipping. Maybe we could try to follow these guidelines: http://modthesims.info/announcement...ouncementid=140

Addicted to The Sims since 2000.
Test Subject
#41 Old 23rd Jun 2017 at 5:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Reitanna
I didn't read any of the new replies. I'm no longer posting here because, for one, I can't keep up with the dang thing, and for two... well, I'm tired of dealing with the idiots. not saying all of you are idiots, but there's only just so much stupid I can take.


Thank you for your very thoughtful and engaging reply.
Theorist
#42 Old 24th Jun 2017 at 8:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Reitanna
I'm tired of dealing with the idiots. not saying all of you are idiots, but there's only just so much stupid I can take.

I got rid of all my mirrors. It works.
Lab Assistant
#43 Old 6th Nov 2017 at 5:06 PM Last edited by EloquentMyDear : 24th Nov 2017 at 11:28 PM.
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Originally Posted by ShigemiNotoge
I think she's upset that it DID get taken down, that's the issue, because she enjoyed the trait.


I think BOTH sides are being closed minded, and that's the bigger issue.


*They're saying, not she please Only just looked at this thread again.
Later: wow, imagine hitting "disagree" because of someone's pronouns - what utter snowflakes.
Test Subject
#44 Old 22nd Nov 2017 at 2:30 PM
I don't know what the original trait did, but why is it offensive if it portrays people with ASPD as violent or dangerous? People with ASPD are dangerous, and are a high criminal risk. I'm sorry if that's a hard truth for you, but sociopaths are the most dangerous people in our society. Symptoms include pathological lying, stealing, physical abuse, substance abuse, lack of empathy, impulsiveness, and reckless disregard for the safety of others. The majority of those in prison have ASPD, and in order for us to keep a safer society, we can't sugarcoat or give the benefit of the doubt to these people. They need to be under surveillance and heavily medicated.
Test Subject
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Lab Assistant
#45 Old 24th Nov 2017 at 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by endlessgalaxy
I don't know what the original trait did, but why is it offensive if it portrays people with ASPD as violent or dangerous? People with ASPD are dangerous, and are a high criminal risk. I'm sorry if that's a hard truth for you, but sociopaths are the most dangerous people in our society. Symptoms include pathological lying, stealing, physical abuse, substance abuse, lack of empathy, impulsiveness, and reckless disregard for the safety of others. The majority of those in prison have ASPD, and in order for us to keep a safer society, we can't sugarcoat or give the benefit of the doubt to these people. They need to be under surveillance and heavily medicated.

Sociopaths may have a small amount of empathy/guilt or a fair amount of empathy/guilt which they ignore or suppress - psychopaths have no empathy or guilt. That's about the only difference in the terms, but neither are medical terms, and neither can medically be used as equivalent to ASPD. Criminal behaviour isn't a symptom of ASPD, per se, so much as a likely behaviour. Some psychopaths know what is expected of them socially, so genuinely perform that role with no passion behind it, though not a large quantity. I definitely would not say "most people in prison", considering drug users/dealers, petty thieves, drunk drivers, prostitutes, people in debt etc can find themselves in prison. Also a huge number of murders are crimes of passion - killing a spouse's lover for example - that are motivated by feelings of "love", albeit unhealthy love, or are committed by people with serious anger issues. Even the slightest hint of guilt means you're not dealing with a psychopathic person. Committing a crime does not mean you must have ASPD. Lots of types of people commit crimes, mentally healthy, mentally ill, with ASPD, with other PDs, without any PDs. If you said "most violent criminals", I might be more inclined to agree with you, but absolutely not "most people in prison". Especially when you consider that, if the criminal is diagnosed with ASPD, they don't go to prison, they serve time in an asylum either until recovery - when they are taken to prison for their sentence - or until death. Advancements in therapy have also shown examples of ASPD patients recovering from ASPD, no longer having the disorder. Is that common? No, but it shows recovery is possible and we may get even better at treating it. If not recovery, a larger number of ASPD patients have shown stabilisation - as I referred to earlier, this is where they do not commit crime, ideally do not lie, and live as responsible members of society. Are ASPD patients likely to be criminals? Yes. Are criminals on the whole likely to be ASPD patients? Not really. Are violent criminals likely to be ASPD patients? Quite. Just my two cents as someone studying psychopathology.
Field Researcher
#46 Old 25th Nov 2017 at 3:40 AM Last edited by DuskTrooper : 25th Nov 2017 at 3:56 AM.
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Originally Posted by ShigemiNotoge
The game is fantasy, not reality. Nothing needs to be real, accurate, or true.


Except that argument doesn't hold up well in the case of The Sims. The Sims is a simulation game, and simulation games are designed to make their fantasy feel real. The way simulators achieve this is to strive for accuracy in the subjects they are attempting to simulate.

If this game were not of the simulation genre, then your argument may hold more merit.

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Originally Posted by Reitanna
I was the one who first pointed out inaccuracies because I'm a sociopath

No you're not. A sociopath would never openly admit they're a sociopath. They may take pride in their ability to get what they want, and may even be aware they are a sociopath, but never would they ever openly acknowledge that they are one.

We all have to look for answers somewhere. Some in big ol' books, others in big ol' bottles of whiskey.

— Kimberly Irion as Bonnie MacFarlane in Red Dead Redemption (2010)
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