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#26
22nd Feb 2018 at 2:23 AM
Although it's not my current hood, I ended up having Brandi Broke marry Chester Gieke in my previous one. If I get back to that time period anytime soon, I may introduce him back in and see if lightning (bolts XP) strike twice. He was so shy, she's so sweet, but I remember that, when he got around her, she was all he saw, and I want to say it was triple-bolt? They had a daughter (the name escapes me at the moment), and Chester didn't mind her kids under their roof!
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#27
22nd Feb 2018 at 3:44 AM
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@Joselle, I had the same thing happen spontaneously between Brandi and Chester as well. In my game, they were only double bolters, though. It was a brief relationship before Brandi ran off with a townie who she had three bolts with and Chester got himself knocked up by aliens and found himself a baby-mama (sort of) in Kaylynn Spitzig.
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#28
22nd Feb 2018 at 5:10 PM
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I haven't started really playing with my megahood (still need to finish initial makeovers) but couples i'm planning/that I ship. Granted they could always decide to defy me...
Angela Pleasant/Dustin Broke
I don't want break them up!
Lillith Pleasant/Dirk Dreamer
Same, I like them together.
Tank Grunt/Francis J. Worthington III
I guess I ship them because opposites attract?
Johnny Smith/Ophelia Nigmos/Ripp Grunt
:lovestruc
Kristin Loste/Cyd Roseland
They seem alike to me. Dog lovers, athletic. They fit well together in my head.
Erin Beaker/Lazlo Curious
They just fit perfectly. I might have Lazlo and Crystal Vu try to be together only to ultimately break them up and get him with Erin. Lazlo and Erin are both laid-back.
Lola Curious/Ajay Loner
They seem to work well to me.
Pascal Curious/Nervous Subject
OTP :lovestruc
Tina Traveller/Lucy Burb
I don't know why I got the idea I want to get them together, but I do. I think they'd make a cute couple.
DJ Verse/Jasmine Rai
I always ship these two
Blossom Moonbeam/Mickey Dosser
Laid back and hippie-ish, the both of them.
Sarah Love/Matthew Hart
Buck Grunt/Jill Smith
I've never managed to actually get them past teenagers, and barely that. But I want them to have a family and be happy.
Klara Vonderstein/William Williamson
Cassandra Goth/Darren Dreamer
Leod McGreggor/Gabe O'Mackey
Patricia Wan/Cleo Shikibu
There are still plenty of Sims I have no idea about but they'll be figured out while playing.
Angela Pleasant/Dustin Broke
I don't want break them up!
Lillith Pleasant/Dirk Dreamer
Same, I like them together.
Tank Grunt/Francis J. Worthington III
I guess I ship them because opposites attract?
Johnny Smith/Ophelia Nigmos/Ripp Grunt
:lovestruc
Kristin Loste/Cyd Roseland
They seem alike to me. Dog lovers, athletic. They fit well together in my head.
Erin Beaker/Lazlo Curious
They just fit perfectly. I might have Lazlo and Crystal Vu try to be together only to ultimately break them up and get him with Erin. Lazlo and Erin are both laid-back.
Lola Curious/Ajay Loner
They seem to work well to me.
Pascal Curious/Nervous Subject
OTP :lovestruc
Tina Traveller/Lucy Burb
I don't know why I got the idea I want to get them together, but I do. I think they'd make a cute couple.
DJ Verse/Jasmine Rai
I always ship these two
Blossom Moonbeam/Mickey Dosser
Laid back and hippie-ish, the both of them.
Sarah Love/Matthew Hart
Buck Grunt/Jill Smith
I've never managed to actually get them past teenagers, and barely that. But I want them to have a family and be happy.
Klara Vonderstein/William Williamson
Cassandra Goth/Darren Dreamer
Leod McGreggor/Gabe O'Mackey
Patricia Wan/Cleo Shikibu
There are still plenty of Sims I have no idea about but they'll be figured out while playing.
#29
22nd Feb 2018 at 6:04 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by wickedjr89
Johnny Smith/Ophelia Nigmos/Ripp Grunt :lovestruc Pascal Curious/Nervous Subject OTP :lovestruc |
Although we pair the Pleasant twins with different sims... You are doing amazing, sweetie
#30
23rd Feb 2018 at 5:36 AM
Posts: 365
I put Tank Grunt with Johnny Smith once. They were a great couple. I would probably do it again too. I felt Tank was fighting his own feelings and it came out as hating Johnny. Of course there was the thing that his father would not have accepted such a relationship (gay & alien, No way!), which is why they lived elsewhere.
#31
24th Feb 2018 at 3:26 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by SleepycatDSL
I put Tank Grunt with Johnny Smith once. They were a great couple. I would probably do it again too. I felt Tank was fighting his own feelings and it came out as hating Johnny. Of course there was the thing that his father would not have accepted such a relationship (gay & alien, No way!), which is why they lived elsewhere. |
Warning: Negative opinion below. (But not a toxic one, so chiiiiill)
Well, you know, I do like some hate-love relationships myself, but lately I find them uninteresting. Now, there is no need to clarify that you must play as you please and that you should wipe your ass with whatever anyone demands from you to do... or not to do. But in my humble opinion, if you will go by this kind of relationship, then you had better make yourself cry with the effort put in the development. (In general, not talking about you specifically )
I can honestly see some potential in Tank and Johnny to a certain degree, but perhaps when they are older and they overcome their differences and their fathers' rivalry? It could be a lovely pairing if done right, since Johnny and Tank's rivalry is not the very centre of the plot. However, you must work hard and be patient. It cannot happen out of the blue, can it? What about Ophelia? Their mutual hate? I mean, there is not a particular way to play. There are no rules, theae stories are not written in stone, that would be boring, but pre-mades have background stories for a reason. I do not think we should delete what they are. Maybe change it all we want, but only through well-paced ideas.
For instance, I am more than okay with multiple sexual orientations, but must the object of affection be an enemy?
As I said, you do you, but let's say you want Tybalt and Mercutio together, apparently a closetted couple in the Sims 2 community whose popularity I will never understand but still try to respect... Does it make sense to have them making out all of a sudden? They. hate. each. other's. guts! Do not rig it! Work for it! Get rid of the enemies status first! Tell their story and show us how in the world they may become first acquaintances who tolerate each other, then unconditional friends, and then inseparable lovers! It applies to Tank and Johnny. If someone likes a couple consisting of --originally-- two enemies, would it not be more meaningful to have them really loving each other instead of fighting on a daily basis and then randomly kissing? Also, due most stories I have read about these guys, I am not a big fan of the 'fighting one's feelings' and choosing hate to conceal them WHEN the characters in question are two men or two women. Not in these modern days. It does not sit well with me. It sounds as though the relationship is solely physical... where are those so-called feelings?!?
I can honestly see some potential in Tank and Johnny to a certain degree, but perhaps when they are older and they overcome their differences and their fathers' rivalry? It could be a lovely pairing if done right, since Johnny and Tank's rivalry is not the very centre of the plot. However, you must work hard and be patient. It cannot happen out of the blue, can it? What about Ophelia? Their mutual hate? I mean, there is not a particular way to play. There are no rules, theae stories are not written in stone, that would be boring, but pre-mades have background stories for a reason. I do not think we should delete what they are. Maybe change it all we want, but only through well-paced ideas.
For instance, I am more than okay with multiple sexual orientations, but must the object of affection be an enemy?
As I said, you do you, but let's say you want Tybalt and Mercutio together, apparently a closetted couple in the Sims 2 community whose popularity I will never understand but still try to respect... Does it make sense to have them making out all of a sudden? They. hate. each. other's. guts! Do not rig it! Work for it! Get rid of the enemies status first! Tell their story and show us how in the world they may become first acquaintances who tolerate each other, then unconditional friends, and then inseparable lovers! It applies to Tank and Johnny. If someone likes a couple consisting of --originally-- two enemies, would it not be more meaningful to have them really loving each other instead of fighting on a daily basis and then randomly kissing? Also, due most stories I have read about these guys, I am not a big fan of the 'fighting one's feelings' and choosing hate to conceal them WHEN the characters in question are two men or two women. Not in these modern days. It does not sit well with me. It sounds as though the relationship is solely physical... where are those so-called feelings?!?
Uff, sorry, had to get that out of my chest. I am not writing this because of you, SleepyCat, but your post reminded me about that one time I had the enormous displeasure of stumbling upon a few awkward stories regarding both these pairings. *shivers*
Anyway, back to the batcave
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#32
24th Feb 2018 at 6:11 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Annorah
but let's say you want Tybalt and Mercutio together |
This actually makes a lot of sense to me, not in the context of the sims 2 characters since I've never played Veronaville and know next to nothing about those particular characters, but the Shakespeare characters apparently have a "history" of some sort. As I understand it, it's less of an "enemies to lovers" and much more of a "lovers to enemies" in Shakespeare's canon, but I can understand people wanting to fix that pesky enemies thing and bring them back to being lovers again. (That's what the Couples Counselling skill is all about, after all! )
But yes, in general it's much better to avoid icky "abuse = love" tropes, even--or perhaps especially--when it's two guys.
#33
24th Feb 2018 at 6:17 AM
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No worries. My 'stories' must make sense in my head. In that particular one, I had Johnny and Tank in the same dorm at a Uni no other Strangetown sims were at. Fighting would have gotten them in trouble so a unspoken truce was called. They pretended the other wasn't there at first but in the close environment of the dorm, they came to see things in the other they could respect. I've always seen Johnny as bi so he was happily enjoying male & female dormies. Tank grew up trying to please his father, to be just like his father, but away from his father he started to find himself. He didn't suddenly say OMGosh, I'm gay and love Johnny. <laughs>
#34
25th Feb 2018 at 10:58 AM
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i've always thought that in veronaville puck and hermia would marry and bottom and hal would marry,simply because their families are both matrilineal
#35
25th Feb 2018 at 11:44 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Rosawyn
but the Shakespeare characters apparently have a "history" of some sort. As I understand it, it's less of an "enemies to lovers" and much more of a "lovers to enemies" in Shakespeare's canon |
I'm gay myself and I never saw it.
That;s the scene everybody uses to claim they have a thing for each other:
TYBALT Mercutio, thou consort'st with Romeo,-- (Mercutio, you are Romeo's mate...)
MERCUTIO
Consort! what, dost thou make us minstrels?(His mate? His band mate? [consort, old word for member of a musical troupe] Are you saying we are musicians?)
thou make minstrels of us, look to hear nothing but (If him and me were band mates, we wouldn't work well together, [because I'm currently mad at him for spending all his time with Yoko Ono...er..I mean... Juliet])
discords: here's my fiddlestick; here's that shall (here's my sword, I will attack you with it!)
make you dance. 'Zounds, consort! (Ha! Mate!)
Tybalt is saying that Mercutio hangs out with Romeo and Mercutio replies by basically saying he'd like to stab Tybalt. Then Romeo shows up, Tybalt threatens him and Romeo doesn't bite. Mercutio doesn't like to see his friend being abused and fights Tybalt himself. Romeo throws himself between them, causing Mercutio to hesitate and Tybalt to land a fatal blow.
Mercutio
Why the devil came you between us? (Why did you throw yourself between us, you idiot?)
I was hurt under your arm. (He stabbed me while you were blocking me [a direct reference to the stage direction earlier])
He's not saying him an Tybalt were lovers before the feud, he's saying Romeo interfered in their duel and caused him to be wounded by interfering, imho.
That's the sum of their interactions (Oh and he calls him King of Cats, in reference to a fable character of the same name).
Frankly there's more ust between Mercutio and Romeo, if you interpret his dislike for Juliet as romantic jealousy. Sure he dislikes (as in downright hates) women, but that has nothing to do with homosexuality (what sense would that conclusion even make?) and misogyny wasn't uncommon for men of that era (during a chunk of the Christian era and earlier in a lot of Ancient Greece, women were regarded as evil temptresses and the root of all pain and suffering as descendants of Eve and Pandora).
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#36
25th Feb 2018 at 10:01 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by Orphalesion
That;s the scene everybody uses to claim they have a thing for each other: |
Obviously I can't speak for "everybody" but that's not even remotely what I was talking about.
Quote:
BENVOLIO Why, what is Tybalt? MERCUTIO More than Prince of Cats. Oh, he’s the courageous captain of compliments. He fights as you sing prick-song, keeps time, distance, and proportion. He rests his minim rests—one, two, and the third in your bosom. The very butcher of a silk button, a duelist, a duelist, a gentleman of the very first house of the first and second cause. Ah, the immortal passado, the punto reverso, the hai! BENVOLIO The what? MERCUTIO The pox of such antic, lisping, affecting fantasmines, these new tuners of accents! “By Jesu, a very good blade! A very tall man! A very good whore!” Why, is not this a lamentable thing, grandsire, that we should be thus afflicted with these strange flies, these fashion-mongers, these “pardon me’s,” who stand so much on the new form, that they cannot sit at ease on the old bench? Oh, their bones, their bones! |
I'll admit I haven't actually looked at the text since I was in grade 10 and some of those lines do look somewhat less convincing to 36-year-old me. But my English teacher told the class that Benvolio was most likely in love with Romeo, and I never saw a single scrap of evidence for that. Scholars have been reading between the lines and adamantly defending their flimsy headcanons probably since Shakespeare first became require reading in school. Every teacher I've ever had drilled it into my head that that's the point: the reader comes up with their own personal interpretation. Is Claudio a genuinely good guy lead astray or an inherently evil, cruel misogynist? Does Paris have any genuine affection for Juliet? Did Lord and Lady Macbeth have a child that Lady Macbeth murdered in infancy? Were Romeo and Juliet ever truly in love? Was Hamlet's madness feigned or real? Was Friar Laurence a bumbling, useless, ineffectual moron? Did Hamlet harbour incestuous feelings for his mother or she for him? Was Hero's father worthy of any sort of redemption? It's all up to the reader to decide.
I'm a woman and I never saw Mercutio as hating women. /shrug
#37
25th Feb 2018 at 10:33 PM
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I forgot about this thread. Here's a handful of non-standard couples that have happened in my game:
- Leod McGreggor and Cyd Roseland. They're engaged and planning to move into Leod's farm (renaming it McGreggor Farms and Roseland Kennels).
- Darren Dreamer and Natasha Una. There's a bit of an age difference, but Darren doesn't mind all the grilled cheese talk and they're both artists.
- Gavin Newson and Jules O'Mackey. Jules made friends with Ginger Newson, and she got to know Gavin pretty well. It just took a bit of urging on Ginger's part.
- Ginger Newson fell in love with Romeo Monty, but then after the disaster party in Veronaville, is avoiding him.
- Puck Summerdream and Ripp Grunt had their first kiss together, although I can't remember the current status of their relationship.
- Malcolm Landgraab is engaged to Mary-Sue Pleasant. Mary-Sue is planning to run for mayor of Bluewater once she settles in...
- Gilbert Jacquet has a lot of girlfriends. He managed to get Jodie Larson and Chloe Curious pregnant already. He's going to be up to his eyeballs in child support bills unless he learns to use a condom.
- Luis Aspir is dating Dora Ottomas, and is working up the courage to ask for her hand in marriage.
- Opal Contrary had an affair with Castor Nova (and had his kid!) but they decided to amicably break up afterwards.
- Justin Cleveland is going steady with Melody Tinker, although she tried to sneak off to the hot tub with his uncle Geoff. That was awkward. I reloaded.
- Jason Cleveland recently realized he was gay, and is having a secret affair with Andy King from Emerald Heights. His wife, Marissa, is having a secret affair with the landlord. My Sims love getting themselves into trouble.
- Kimberley Cordial had Armand Debateau's child, but decided she wasn't in the place to care for a baby and severed her parental rights. (Armand took custody of him.) Meanwhile, Samantha Cordial is engaged to Gabriel Green.
- Jessica Peterson is dating a dormie called Chuck Wagon from LGU. She keeps rolling wants to get engaged to him despite having a romance secondary. I might oblige...
- Connor Weir and Florence Delarosa are engaged, although he's waiting for Geoff Rutherford to find another roommate (perhaps that one girlfriend of his, Chastity?) before he moves to Bluewater Village.
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- Leod McGreggor and Cyd Roseland. They're engaged and planning to move into Leod's farm (renaming it McGreggor Farms and Roseland Kennels).
- Darren Dreamer and Natasha Una. There's a bit of an age difference, but Darren doesn't mind all the grilled cheese talk and they're both artists.
- Gavin Newson and Jules O'Mackey. Jules made friends with Ginger Newson, and she got to know Gavin pretty well. It just took a bit of urging on Ginger's part.
- Ginger Newson fell in love with Romeo Monty, but then after the disaster party in Veronaville, is avoiding him.
- Puck Summerdream and Ripp Grunt had their first kiss together, although I can't remember the current status of their relationship.
- Malcolm Landgraab is engaged to Mary-Sue Pleasant. Mary-Sue is planning to run for mayor of Bluewater once she settles in...
- Gilbert Jacquet has a lot of girlfriends. He managed to get Jodie Larson and Chloe Curious pregnant already. He's going to be up to his eyeballs in child support bills unless he learns to use a condom.
- Luis Aspir is dating Dora Ottomas, and is working up the courage to ask for her hand in marriage.
- Opal Contrary had an affair with Castor Nova (and had his kid!) but they decided to amicably break up afterwards.
- Justin Cleveland is going steady with Melody Tinker, although she tried to sneak off to the hot tub with his uncle Geoff. That was awkward. I reloaded.
- Jason Cleveland recently realized he was gay, and is having a secret affair with Andy King from Emerald Heights. His wife, Marissa, is having a secret affair with the landlord. My Sims love getting themselves into trouble.
- Kimberley Cordial had Armand Debateau's child, but decided she wasn't in the place to care for a baby and severed her parental rights. (Armand took custody of him.) Meanwhile, Samantha Cordial is engaged to Gabriel Green.
- Jessica Peterson is dating a dormie called Chuck Wagon from LGU. She keeps rolling wants to get engaged to him despite having a romance secondary. I might oblige...
- Connor Weir and Florence Delarosa are engaged, although he's waiting for Geoff Rutherford to find another roommate (perhaps that one girlfriend of his, Chastity?) before he moves to Bluewater Village.
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#38
25th Feb 2018 at 10:47 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by Rosawyn
Obviously I can't speak for "everybody" but that's not even remotely what I was talking about. I'll admit I haven't actually looked at the text since I was in grade 10 and some of those lines do look somewhat less convincing to 36-year-old me. But my English teacher told the class that Benvolio was most likely in love with Romeo, and I never saw a single scrap of evidence for that. Scholars have been reading between the lines and adamantly defending their flimsy headcanons probably since Shakespeare first became require reading in school. Every teacher I've ever had drilled it into my head that that's the point: the reader comes up with their own personal interpretation. Is Claudio a genuinely good guy lead astray or an inherently evil, cruel misogynist? Does Paris have any genuine affection for Juliet? Did Lord and Lady Macbeth have a child that Lady Macbeth murdered in infancy? Were Romeo and Juliet ever truly in love? Was Hamlet's madness feigned or real? Was Friar Laurence a bumbling, useless, ineffectual moron? Did Hamlet harbour incestuous feelings for his mother or she for him? Was Hero's father worthy of any sort of redemption? It's all up to the reader to decide. I'm a woman and I never saw Mercutio as hating women. /shrug |
Please don't misinterpret me as talking down or denying your interpretation. That it is just as valid as mine or anybody elses goes of course without saying. My lecturer at uni pointed to the scene I was quoting and yes personal interpretations are important and very welcome. I was merely sharing mine.
I never had the impression with Benvulio either, but I did get a bit of a vibe of Romeo/Mercutio.
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#39
26th Feb 2018 at 12:42 AM
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@ihatemandatoryregister you should post more pictures of your sims or start a thread in the What's Going On social group. I'm always intrigued by what you have to say about the goings-on in your game.
That said, I should probably contribute a little something relevant to the thread title:
In my game, David Ottomas aged up into an adult and kindled up an affair with Circe Beaker. He knows she's married, but he's never been allowed to meet her husband or really anybody from her personal life. They met at a public pool, and though Circe was skulking around making rude comments and gestures, David's only take away was that she was the most beautiful woman he'd ever seen. She gave him her card.
Now that Circe's been trying to get pregnant, she's lost interest in David. Reeling from the rejection of the only woman who ever really liked him, he enrolls at Verdant Valley Community College to really make something of himself, and bumps into Kristen Loste at the gym. He's smitten right away again. The two have already gone out once together, and have plans to meet up every night in the coming few days.
I had a thought that maybe nobody's had those pairings before, or at least I haven't heard of it before! I much prefer David with Kristen. They make a good match. David is a softie and Kristen is an outspoken, strong woman. Now that I think about it, maybe that's what David liked in Circe, too.
That said, I should probably contribute a little something relevant to the thread title:
In my game, David Ottomas aged up into an adult and kindled up an affair with Circe Beaker. He knows she's married, but he's never been allowed to meet her husband or really anybody from her personal life. They met at a public pool, and though Circe was skulking around making rude comments and gestures, David's only take away was that she was the most beautiful woman he'd ever seen. She gave him her card.
Now that Circe's been trying to get pregnant, she's lost interest in David. Reeling from the rejection of the only woman who ever really liked him, he enrolls at Verdant Valley Community College to really make something of himself, and bumps into Kristen Loste at the gym. He's smitten right away again. The two have already gone out once together, and have plans to meet up every night in the coming few days.
I had a thought that maybe nobody's had those pairings before, or at least I haven't heard of it before! I much prefer David with Kristen. They make a good match. David is a softie and Kristen is an outspoken, strong woman. Now that I think about it, maybe that's what David liked in Circe, too.
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