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Test Subject
#226 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 11:49 AM
I think the relationships between adult sims was a lot more playful in Sims 2 when compared to Sims 3, it just seems like Maxis took out a lot of the funny and extremely tame petting elements and just made the whole intimacy aspect barely even smile-worthy. Woohoo is just bland in Sims 3 without even humour to carry it through. I too am hoping there's more 'personality' to the interactions between couples in Sims 4, just something to make it feel like there's some chemistry between sims and not just some awkward robotic heart confetti ceremony.
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Instructor
#227 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 12:00 PM Last edited by FifthAce2007 : 3rd Sep 2014 at 12:16 PM.
Quote: Originally posted by residenteviloutbreak
ESRB has a policy with certain things. They will refuse to rate a game with illegal content. So meaning, if EA allowed adults to woohoo or have relationships with teens in TS4, it would be banned.


Then how the heck did the GTA games get through???


Anyway. I'm not sure I agree with the idea of more adult/real life content...although I sort of do.

If we go back to basics, to what Maxis originally intended the game to be, (before EA absorbed them), it's a life simulator. It's very name indicates this. Sims. Simulation. On that credo then yes it should better reflect real life. But where is the line drawn?

Lets take crimes for example. What crimes are deemed fit to put into a game and what ones aren't. And who decides? I think I'd be quite disturbed to witness two computer generated figures hacking each other to death, or, dare I say it, one sim raping another.

I agree there should be an EP that is age restricted, add's nothing to the game EXCEPT content that directly relates to making it more lifelike/adult in nature, so that those who don't want the adult content aren't missing out on other stuff. It should take the frosting off a little bit, say returning interactions/objects that were in previous games for example.

But can you imagine, with EA's currently mentality of creating a soft furry world safe for kids, those same people attempting to create adult content. It would still be fuzzy

I'm on the fence on this one. It could be done, but would have to be done so carefully that it is highly unlikely EA would ever take the risk. Something best left to the modding community I think.



Edit: Although the idea of creating a basement/dungeon for sexual desires makes me chuckle

Further Edit: An EP could be called "50 shades of sims"

FifthAce2007

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Field Researcher
#228 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 12:24 PM
Personally I'm perfectly fine with The Sims being cartoony and not very frisky because it's innocent fun and like people before me have said, you can always trust in the modders to make more "adult" changes if that's something you enjoy. But. I would like to see birth-related modifications in the series and I'm not talking about realistic labour, that's one thing I don't want to see... But miscarriage, it's a tragic event in your life but it's realistic and not "gross" or "explicit", just a natural thing that sometimes happens. It also isn't anything as morally conflicting (if that makes any sense) as abortion is. Of course it's sad that the sim baby you were looking forward to won't be arriving after all but if the cause of miscarriage was similar to the way Inteen's miscarriage works (motives drop too low) then I can't really see how it would be a bad addition.
Test Subject
#229 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 12:47 PM
Quote: Originally posted by HystericalParoxysm
I'd be fine with a separate adult EP or SP, or some Store content to add more adult stuff but... Despite being a grown-ass woman who has a pretty relaxed attitude toward "adult" stuff, I don't want that stuff in my sims game. I want to be able to play with my kids in the room. I want to be able to smile at the cute animations and for the tragedies to be ones of absurdity (getting stuck in the bathroom and dying because you couldn't get past your roommate, who really needed to shower and brush his teeth and wouldn't move), not horrible real-life stuff.


I have to agree. Like, EA/Sims Studio even brought up, for example, why a sim can't die from sadness - it's a freaking game. Who wants to A, trivialize depression, and B, watch their sim commit suicide?
Scholar
#230 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 1:00 PM
I think the series is pretty clever with how they've gotten around the "adult" issues. The juice bars are basically are a name change for alcohol, the university students throwing "herbs" on to the bonfires in Sims 3 is a semi-subtle drug use reference and calling sex "woohoo" is pretty genius. It's a series where the cartoonish things work for it, like the old standard dust cloud covering them fighting or taking a more light-hearted approach with some of the deaths. (Hawaiian girls with Death when your sim dies of old age, the flies devouring your slobbish sim, etc.)

Violence is an odd issue. Clearly crime does happen, but again it's done in a light-ish way with things like the kelpto trait. Anything more violent just wouldn't work in this game. I don't want to watch my sims start a knife fight. It works for GTA, it wouldn't work for this game.

Things like religion or serious medical issues, physical and mental - all of which are in no way adult, but still something that can cause controversy - should be left out. There's been a few threads on this stuff before, but my own opinion has always remained the same. These issues are all so intricate, so sensitive that I would not expect EA to be able to appropriately handle them.

I'm writing a TV series, yeah. It's a cross between True Detective and Pretty Little Liars.
Test Subject
#231 Old 14th Sep 2014 at 7:29 PM
the game is meant a simulation of real life, so everything about real life should be included in it so that we the players would be able to create our own story lines the way we do in real life good and bad. kids do not spend 70 bucks.
Lab Assistant
#232 Old 14th Sep 2014 at 8:46 PM
I think it would be ideal for the designers to have the base functionality for more adult actions in the game but disabled so that the modding community has an easier time appeasing those of us who would like to tell more adult, realistic, and/or nuanced stories.

Come read my first Sims story in ages (for TS4): http://msrebeccawest.tumblr.com/
Test Subject
#233 Old 16th Sep 2014 at 10:58 PM
Default >_<
Quote: Originally posted by BlakeS5678
There are already tons of "adult" Sims knockoffs. Take that one game, Singles, or whatever, for example. Why would you want to change the actual franchise for millions of Sims fans like myself? I'll be honest, I have gone to MTS sister site and downloaded several things, but, I ended up just uninstalling it because it doesn't fit my personal taste, and seeing them walk around with their "bits" was pretty pointless and vaguely disturbing on such cartoonish people. If you want to sex up your Sims game, I'm sure there will be modders willing to help you with that.

Here's a secret though. Want to know the real reason I don't want an adult Sims game. Could you even begin to imagine the terrifying horror that is EAxis's vision of a penis?



very good point indeed.
Test Subject
#234 Old 17th Oct 2014 at 3:51 PM
I have enjoyed Sims since The Sims 1. With each new game system the charm seems to lessen because it gets more and more infantile. The Sims from its early days has sold lots and lots of copies to lots of different types of people with different standards. EA are not afraid of launching expansion packs. I think it is time they made these expansions more varied to appealed to that varied fan base. To me there should be more freedom to choose the level at which you game with varies age ratings. And with in the game more reaction from Sims towards the behaviour of others. Yes the Sims should be more adult. Many of us have gone from child players to mature players in the lifetime of the game.
Forum Resident
#235 Old 17th Oct 2014 at 4:08 PM
i would like an adult version of the sims, too.
just to see what they would make of it.
Field Researcher
#236 Old 17th Oct 2014 at 4:37 PM
More adult then they are now, but not overly so.

lemonade
Mad Poster
#237 Old 17th Oct 2014 at 5:37 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Euan
More adult then they are now, but not overly so.


Agreed. I'd say a TS2 level of "adult" would be fine
Field Researcher
#238 Old 17th Oct 2014 at 7:23 PM
I miss the TS2. There you would feel more about the people and their making out and woohoo with the special camera. You would feel it is a special moment, if it is their first time. TS3 destroyed that. Then TS4 went on same way as TS3. Which is a pity because TS4 is something like TS2.5.....

TS2 was not adult!!

My username here is sweetichigodream, but I am better known as Helena and/or Funny Bunny! :) would love to change username...
Lab Assistant
#239 Old 18th Oct 2014 at 8:26 AM
I miss the vibrating love bed and the pop out cake from Sims 1. The steamy, cheesy (almost Dating Game like) romance has faded from the series. I miss it.
Instructor
#240 Old 18th Oct 2014 at 3:29 PM
Quote: Originally posted by ProfPlumbob
I miss the vibrating love bed and the pop out cake from Sims 1. The steamy, cheesy (almost Dating Game like) romance has faded from the series. I miss it.

But I think it was easier for them to have things like the dancing cage girls and 'play in bed' because the Sims were so obviously cartoony. I really don't care to add 'adult' content to my game, but I miss the humor and irreverence of TOS and TS2. (And the bad porno music for the TS2 woohoo cinematic.)
Forum Resident
#241 Old 18th Oct 2014 at 5:54 PM
Quote: Originally posted by KismetRose
I think it would be ideal for the designers to have the base functionality for more adult actions in the game but disabled so that the modding community has an easier time appeasing those of us who would like to tell more adult, realistic, and/or nuanced stories.


They can't do this, I think at first you could do so with a cheat but then some guy wanted to sue EA because of having the naked adults around the naked sim children and what not. Because if it is in the game even as a cheat then it's still seen as something the Devs endorse. So that's why you need a mod for it now IIRC.

I don't think we'll ever see any blatant adult things in The Sims, especially sexual because of the presence of sim children. I personally would love a lot of adult things like sims dealing with addiction though, they could have that in SIms 4 I guess. A "Loves Nectar" trait where a sim that doesn't drink the stuff everyday gets Very Angry or something lol.

My Simblr --->Glee & Squee
Test Subject
#242 Old 18th Oct 2014 at 9:24 PM
I guess my take is it should be as newb friendly as possible. EA are for profit company, they want the broadest uptake possible, so they want most of "real life" kept out of the dolls house.

For everyone else there are mods. Skins, appendages, teen sex & death, etc. This is the great thing about the Sims franchise. It's endlessly configurable. One of my Sims for instance lives in the bar. I cheated him and made him good at many things, and the game used him as the comedian in the other town, and another one of my sims, who I took a while to make musically gifted, turned up to play Guitar & Piano.

I am kind of irked at how crap the maids are, but how many people have maids anyway?
Lab Assistant
#243 Old 18th Oct 2014 at 10:41 PM
Quote: Originally posted by HystericalParoxysm
Do not want. I like grownup games too, and I'm a grown-ass woman, but that's not what Sims is about. It's always been cute and silly and goofy, with tragedies resulting from a traffic jam in a poorly-designed hallway and someone dying in a puddle of pee - not dying in a drunk driving accident. I don't mind minor little things like kleptomaniac sims, or "evil" ones, but it's done in a very cute sort of way, so it's not so bad.


I agree to that, but I will like a little more drama like illness and crime also in a cartoon way, hospitals and police and jail and the possibility to choose if you are going to be good or villain. Actually I would like something like the system that some rpg have. If you do good actions you become more good and if you do more evil actions more evil. Sims 2 has something like that for the spells. I will really like also the sims to stuck in certain emotions. For example if someone lost his wife or husband, to stay in grief for a longer period. Also I would very much to see some addictions. At sims medieval there was a trait that could make the sim alcoholic. It was really funny. And also I really miss the breakdowns that sims 2 had. When they start to get crazy and the funny shrink sowing up.
Field Researcher
#244 Old 18th Oct 2014 at 11:42 PM
All right. To me an "adult" game isn't one with graphic sex, drug use, teen pregnancy, murder, cancer, car accidents, or whatever.

To me, an "adult" game is all about risk. I want Sims to be able to fail. If things can't possibly go wrong, there's no satisfaction when things go right. Basically you're just grinding on skills and careers and accumulating money, if there's no risk. And that's no way to play a game. Or to live.

What kind of risk? I'd like raising a kid to be HARD, or at least be the pain in the ass that it was in the Sims 2. I'd like Sims to spontaneously fall in love with the WRONG people. I want them to just not click with the RIGHT people. I want people to be no damn good sometimes at the jobs they've chosen. I want them not to be able to acquire some skills---they just don't have a talent for it. I want talent! And I want people to just lose or waste their talent, lose their groove sometimes, and I want to be able to have them struggle to get it back. I want teenagers who rebel and incompetent professionals and terrible neighbors and midlife crises.

But don't do what you did in Generations. Please don't shove rigid scripted scenarios down our throats. Instead give us a set of fine-grained interactions and behaviors that might suddenly be chosen spontaneously by Sims or by direction once certain conditions arise.
Test Subject
#245 Old 21st Oct 2014 at 11:50 AM
What would you say if EA were to voluntarily release a SIms game with an MA rating?? With tick boxes like they have in adventure games (blood: no blood / sex and nudity :No sex nudity) Of course they will never do that even for a trillion adult fans of the game. When I was a teen I lived in a repressive society that said wait till your old enough, for everything. Now kids have infiltrated and absconded with everything and there is no corner of society that is an adult swim only. Raising real kids is hard even the childless comprehend it. So why should it be that hard for a sims gamer?? for me the challenge is an odd mix of reality and fantasy. And when I create a mini version of me in CAS he gets to be anything that Id rather not IRL. But to my original point the game will never be sold in MA format because its becoming quite clear EA is being run by children for children.
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