This is just going in circles, this has been explained several times.

Which makes them biased and considering the APA called conversion therapy pseudoscience, they have no weight in the scientific world.

probably the same number of conservatives and liberals claim their ways are the correct ones



lol marijuana



lol, this topic debate is only scientific?

Quite possibly but the conservatives use the bible to back up their statements where as liberals generally don't.





Nothing wrong with marijuana, and quite frankly if everyone on earth were to get stoned, the world might actually be a more peaceful place.

they become ex-gays because of their own will, nobody's forcing them

It is worse than pseudoscience, I think it is tantamount to "brainwashing" and will inevitable do a lot of psychological harm in the long run.



LOL, brilliant.

We're talking psychology here, a science. What kind of topic do you think it is? What fields would you rather were involved?


Of course, of course, my bad. Then, why exactly do they decide to "turn straight", if not because a) they're scared shitless God will send them to Hell, b) homophobes harrass them or c) they're frowned upon by their highly conservative community?

It's pressure in all three cases.

We don't know what these people feel inside. These men may say, "I have truly overcome my sinful illness!" and have a full-blown relationship with another man in secrecy while playing the "good husband, good father" role.

As a gay guy, I know that homosexuality isn't a choice. I'm not sure if we're 100% born gay or if there're environmental factors involved, but sexuality doesn't come with an on/off switch.

religion

It is utterly beyond me why anyone would consider homosexuality to be a choice. Considering the acrimonious social stigma, atrocious lack of civil rights, and criminal violence sometimes associated with homosexuality, why would anyone in their right mind choose such a path? One's sexuality is not something to wake up one morning and decide to change- it's an innate part of human existence, and not one that can be changed. I think that people who vacillate between sexualities are clearly very confused individuals or people in denial of who they really are. At this point, we don't know from where one's sexuality originates- I'm inclined to say somewhere in the deepest abysses of the brain during gestation- but does it really matter? The assertation that homosexuality is a choice is merely a defense mechanism for homophobes to further bar homosexuals from their well-deserved rights.

Lets go for the blind faith, religious dogma approach, this debate will be over very quickly.

Not really, but the only "evidence" that can be brought to the table by those religiously inclined is their holy text or personal experience and only one of those two would mean something. Give you 1 guess which one wouldn't mean anything.

some people absolutely stop same-sex relationships

They are called bisexuals or brainwashed liars.



Religion

Yes some people do, but those that do and still hold true to themselves go celibate instead of living a lie.

Now, now, play nice when talking about religion. While I believe that the Bible is just a book of great literature and teaches us valuable lessons on SOME parts of life than the end all, be all truth, we don't want this to spiral into a relgiious debate.

It. Does. Not. Make. Them. Heterosexuals if they're still attracted to the same sex, regardless of whether they still have relationships with them or not!

If, for some reason, I gave up on all relationships, yet still felt sexual attraction towards women, would I become asexual? No, I'd be a heterosexual who doesn't get any.

not bisexual, cuz if they were, they would assume bisexuality

the bible does teach some valuable lessons but it is inherently flawed due to human tampering. It is also inevitable that this will turn into a religious debate, the threads about homosexuality usually do at some point.

did I ever say that? ex-gay isnt the same thing as straight, but comes closer to

@strangeguy823

I'd love to stay up and bash my head against your blind faith some more.
But my world is governed by facts and one is that I have work in the morning.

So, you're admitting they just give up on relationships while still feeling attraction to the same sex?

this thread is about causes of homosexuality, not about ex-gay people

perhaps we should stop talking about this, and stick to the thread's subject

So do you honestly believe that this is a happy way to live? To deny yourself of true love because of what religion or society says?

Now now frenchie, that would put me in with this "ex-gay" crowd since I haven't had a relationship in roughly 4 years. lol