"Son, over the years a lot of amazing, photo-worthy things have come out of daddy's ass, but you are by far the most beautiful one of those things. My rectum is a wind tunnel because of you, but it was worth it".

Easy peasy.

Well just like in real life, babies come from the plumbob above your head and not from your belly despite it growing larger during pregnancy.


But seriously, I'd just want to see my sims able to drink alcohol and play poker. Seems quite harmless compared to the sleeping around sims do. that actually hurts people and might give teens the idea its a good life goal to want to bang 20 different people in 20 different places or something like that.
Not that I'd encourage them to gamble and drink, but EA could always simply not allow teens to use that interaction seeing how they wont even allow teens to have tattoos.

My sims always loved that poker table, in sims 2 my sims kept a poker game going for an entire semester. Eight sims in the household, and campus sims often joined in as well. Always 2 people at the table playing poker, usually more even. Good times.

Jupp, I can't get my sims off the table long enough to not die of hunger or exhaustion while playing poker, The same with mahjongg and the kids table game.
alcohol... I just pretent that what they drink at the bar is that stuff. Seeing how fast that purge the bladder meter to red, it might even be that stuff.

And btw, alcohol and gamble addiction actually hurts people. Themself and their relatives. But those are parts of the real life, like "wohoo" or shopping sprees (why nobody at EA does get the idea of spending all your money for worthless nic-nac could be a bad model for kids... maybe because of the worthless nic-nac in Stuff Packs. ).

There are two reasons, why they won't put mature content into the game: theis hands are tied through countless institutions like that mention serveral times above, and their goal of actual earning money with their products: more kind friendly --> more sold copies. But we talking about EA here... <.<

As simple option of switching the adult stuff off would satisfing everybody: allow only "play for fun" for poker tables and deactivate drunken sim animations should be easy.

I'd personally rather TS4 be /more/ childish and un-adult if it meant there was more charm and whimsy.

Isn't that what mods are for? Just asking.

Babies fall out of their mother's or father-mother's plumbob. The big belly is only because they're so nervous about the whole thing they eat too much.

And, frankly, I've always found the censor blur funny. I realize that I'm in the minority, but I've never thought that absolutely graphic sex was necessary to enjoy a movie or anything else. I don't feel offended by rather charmingly done self-censorship as in the Sims. But then I'm not an adolescent any more and, thankfully, haven't been obsessed by sex for some years.

I play Skyrim and Oblivion, both of which have M ratings. Neither of them has explicit sex or nudity, but were given the ratings because of references to rape and incest in ingame books, as well as for "overly-graphic" violence. What people seem to be asking for here is a game that would probably not be carried by most major chains in the US, and I suspect some other countries would ban it outright.

Judging from the TS2 cutscene, the babies somehow cut a door in the dad and then seal is again behind them after they levitate out the opening. They use a special cutting tool so there is no blood.

erhm I wouldnt want graphic sex to be in the game or the censorship to be removed. those make sense.

Again, simply asking for the stuff of earlier sims games to be put in. Well maybe some stuff thats in sims medieval. Being a gambler or alcoholic are negative traits in that game.

Not asking for anything they havent done before in a sims game so just stuff that would make it past the ratings just fine, it went past there before. Quite surprising really that sims are allowed to have quite a liberal sex life or woohoo life, seeing how rediculously conservative america tends to be about sex. Sims can be homosexual after all, and with unlocks they can even sleep around with everyone without anyone ever being jalous about it. That and sims require very little to go to bed with anyone. They can easily hook up with multible people in a single day.

I mean, if they are that liberal with sex in the games, the very thing america is so strongly against, why not allow a little gambling and drinking? those things can bring much pain in the hands of irresonsible individuals, but its not a given, while its a given that there will be pain when people are cheating on their loved ones.

sigh, for every sims sequel there will be a board like this.

Well, they have quite a bit of gambling in game already. We had blackjack and slot machines when LP was released with the casino, and now repurposed robo poker and roulette wheels. As to alcohol, well, I'm sure the legal eagles at EA corporate pointed out all the ramifications of a sim drinking and driving, and nixed that one.

As to graphic sex, I really don't expect that from EA. That's what the creators around here are for.

I once had a cc bed that had a messed up blanket, so when the sims woohooed under it, you could kind of see what was happening. It was actually pretty disturbing, with disjointed body parts combining in all kinds of weird ways. Reminded me of one of those tortured Dante Inferno orgy scenes, but with just 2 sims. Some really sick minds snuck that one "under the covers".

I think that there should be more realistic things such as being able to get drunk, and you can BARELY control your sim if at all. I think Teen pregnancy should be common too (without a mod) as to new statistics and the popularity of it. Also diseases such as Heart dieses, diabeties, cancer. All real life things that should be in a real life video game

Ehh lets not put cancer in there, I wouldn't want my sim to be terminally ill, its already terribly depression irl.

Ehrm... call me crazy, but I really don't want more medical problems in there. And I know for a fact that I don't want the ESRB rating to go up -- otherwise I'll have to wait another few years to play TS4, which will be a bummer, really.

I think the only important issue here is to have a choice. If you want your Sims' children to be conceived with a kiss and delivered by a stork (or whichever animal turns you on), it should be possible. If you prefer drunken Sim staggering around the town completely naked, proudly displaying their enormous breasts and penises and making love at every corner, that should be possible as well.

Eaxis will never make the second part possible but modders will, as proven by the existing Sims games; then the choice to download or not is yours only. The one thing we should be demanding from Eaxis is to make modders' work as easy as possible instead of encumbering it as much as possible.

Imagine in the Sims 4 going for the booze and adult shop on Saturday nights,that would be fun for the Sims 4

I've tried a few times to post here, but it was hard gathering my thoughts on this. So, I will attempt now!

1) The game already has adult themes, however they are cleverly called something else, in order for the T rating to stick. Woohoo is sex, but is it really? They seem to just wrestle playfully, and the end result could be a baby. Because everyone knows that it's Sim sex, seeing there's wants for different ways to do "it", and yet I don't want to see Sim porn. I say keep the stupid, yet funny woohoo actions as is, however, I think somethings should be left for our own choices. Like, not having to be in love to it. A chance to get pregnant, without it being our choice. If I'm playing a male Sim, and want to get his lover pregnant, but don't want them living together at that time, there should be a choice to do so.

2) I don't know how age progression will work, if it's gradual then certain things at certain stages should start being open to us. Like, two senior teens, allowed to woohoo, I also think a YA freshman and a senior teen, can still be a couple. I can live without teen pregnancies. Which is ironic, seeing that teen mom's are glorified on tv, but if it keeps the game a T rating then so be it, there will be mods. I'm not in favour of teens and adults dating.

3) Is it juice or not? This is another implied thing that's in the game. If it's juice, then all should be allowed to drink it. But, if they have a bar and keg, perhaps, they can act maybe more flirty, or maybe start fights. It doesn't have to be exactly alcohol, but an adult Sim drink that makes them do stupid things if they drink too much of it.

4) This is teen rated game, so I think the censor blur should be removed or optional. It's implying that there's something hidden behind it, and most of us know there is nothing. If some want more realistic sims, then a mod should be the way to go.

5) I'm more for stupid deaths and cartoon like violence. I don't need cancer in the game. However, the guinea pig disease I'd be okay with, as long as there's cure available.

6) I don't need rape or murder, that's not funny.

7) I'd like more gambling in the game, even casinos. If there's anyway for my Sims to make more money or lose it, without cheats, that I'd be into!

So, I think somethings can be more adult like, without it being too adult. But again, much of it will have to do with the aging process in order for some of these things to work.

I pretty much agree with all of this. Personally I don't want any realistic sex in the game (not that that would ever happen), because it would seem kind of creepy and contrived, those Sims with their virtual bodies.

I sometimes get annoyed with how they have made 'juice' martinis and kegs and all that, and 'nectaries', but it's still juice, not alcohol, and has no effect. I have ani_'s sims can get drunk mod, which is great, but it just seems stupid that while it's so obviously alcohol and anyone over the age of 7 would be able to tell it is, there is no effect to go with it. Still, I don't think I'd want alcoholism or addiction to it, really. Alcoholism is a serious condition and can ruin lives, after all.

Yeah, the censor blur is stupid, but I guess it's because of that lawsuit or whatever. But at least it's better than in the Sims 2 Pets for console where there was a censor blur and Sims wore underwear to shower. Um no.

Yes, let's steer clear of serious illnesses and violence. No rape, sexual abuse, murder, torture, mental illness or disabilities, cancer, diabetes, etc. I'm fine with the comical 'insane' trait and the guinea pig illness and stuff, but I don't want those horrible things from real life to be in the Sims.

Casinos sound fun, but again, I don't think I'd want gambling addiction or whatever. Of course no sex addiction, either, but I'm fine with wishes such as 'woohoo with 20 Sims' or whatever.

I think this is precisely why it shouldn't be included. It's bad enough in real life when someone gets rewarded with a reality show and quick fame for making bad choices. This sort of thing, along with the wee wee and the hoohah, is why we have mods in the first place.

Thank god someone else who couldn't play if it was M.

On that note, could somebody explain why so many people seem to fixate on teen pregnancy in this game? Sure, it makes sense from a biological standpoint, but other than that I've never been able to understand why it's such a popular topic. At the risk of making a wildly unpopular statement, I personally find the frequency with which it's used kind of creepy at times. I was even reluctant to download WooHooer for TS3 at one point due to my discomfort with the subject, even though WooHooer doesn't force you to enable that and is otherwise useful.

(Besides, we already know it's never going to be included in a base game in the series. Mod it in if you like, of course- I'm not going to start telling anyone how to play their own game- but don't expect the developers to go there. They've repeatedly said they won't)

I think it is partly because people want to use it in stories or legacies, not realizing that 1, it has been overused to death as a story arc, and 2, just because you have a teen get pregnant in the game doesn't mean you have a good story. Teen pregnant with alien baby? good story idea, if handled well. More of "Oh No, I gots preggers and muh parents doesn't likes it! What willz I DOOOOO?", not so interesting.

Also, I blame MTV.

I've always assumed that it was because so many teens play the game and they want to be able to play as themselves. I just figured that teen pregnancy was a round about way of asking for teen sex mods. I could be completely wrong though; I've never given it much thought. I have a hard enough time finding a minute for my adults to get a leg over, forget about ages that it's not even programmed for.

Teens in my game have two functions and neither of them involve woohoo (or much of anything fun). I suspect this might have something to do with my age.

A) Indentured servant ~ take care of toddler and child siblings, help cook and clean.
B) Studybot ~ keep up those grades so they can graduate and get the hell out of my house.

Speaking for myself, I don't necessarily need teen pregnancy, but it dates back from me using ACR with TS2. I kept the options which allowed for teen woohoo, but I didn't think it was "fair" that the adults were stuck with risky woohoo and the teens and young adults could woohoo their brains out with nothing to worry about. I've never forced a teen pregnancy, and in all my years of playing (TS2) I can only recall six teens who did get pregnant, and that's over seven years (so less than one teen pregnancy a year). My young adults in TS2, however, are much more prone to risky pregnancies, although there's nothing saying they have to stay pregnant.

TS3 I have a similar set-up, but I don't think I've seen a teen woohoo yet. Part of that may be that the majority of my teen pregnancies were when I was playing the whole 'hood (so 15+ households) and part of it may be that I just haven't played it that long to really have hundreds and hundreds of sims.

But yeah, I fully accept that teen woohoo, let alone teen pregnancy, will never be coded into the game.

Teen pregnancies isnt something I'd want to see in the game. Though teens should be able to get in trouble in other ways.

Like getting a fake ID and being able to get a tattoo that way or watch an adult rated horror movie at the theater.

Maybe even get a bully thing going on, which has been displayed on screenshots actually. Mean spirited children and teens could be a real bully on school and elsewhere. They could steal lunchmoney, be able to push other kids, make faces at them and otherwise antagionise them. Often they would get detention in school when caught doing such things, and it could also happen that friends of the victim stand up to him and gang up on the bully.
Of course it shouldnt be taken too far, and sim kids with the good trait could feel the need to protect the victim unless they are also a coward. Friends of the victim could intervene as well unless they are a coward or otherwise impared. Brave kids would have a zero tolerance to bullying against themselves and their friends.

Teens can't get tattoos? Huh? You learn something new every day.


I think your memory is deceiving you. That happens to me a lot.

Alcohol was not in the original Sims game. A bar was introduced in House Party. It served Simcity Soda, Island Icee, and Party Punch. A nectar press came with Makin' Magic that used elderberries, grapes and sugar (in different combinations) to make various kinds of nectar. Sims could not become drunk from using it, however, garden gnomes who swam in the press could become "tipsy". Damn I miss the whimsey from the original game. Thank you for reminding me about the "booing" and "weeping" after sex, that was frickin' hilarious.

Limited alcohol use is allowed (ESRB) in historical games such as Sims Medieval because it's historically accurate. The alcohol made in those days wasn't anywhere near as potent as the modern concoctions and it was used mainly to kill the "waste" in the water rather than to get drunk (although I'm sure they had some top-shelf stuff for that too). That's how games like Zeus can manage an "E" rating despite producing wine by the cart load and having Dionysus stumbling all over your city in a drunken stupor.

The "sexy dancers" weren't anymore racy than the ones from Generations and couldn't even be interacted with or summoned if a child was on the lot...you got a Gorilla in the cake instead. Boooo! Personally, I had a mod that gave my "Chip the Dancer" a "Disco Stick" that could clip through two Sims when he turned to the side view.

I had thought that there was a keg in Sims 2 University, but I can't even find any info on that and I suspect that was also a mod (I remember that they puked amazing quantities of blue goop after using it).

Gambling has been in all three series in various descriptions, poker tables, blackjack tables, roulette, one-armed bandits etc. The ESRB allows gambling in T-rated games as long as it doesn't use real money. I'm not sure what the ratings boards for countries outside North America use for guidelines, but I'm sure that EA does keep an eye on them.

I can't comment on the lack of sexy clothing. I think Sims 3 is huge improvement in that department with a nice variety of clothing types for female Sims.

I'm not sure about the number of woohoo places in Sims 2 vs. Sims 3. I'm guessing that it's about even if you have all the released EPs. Maybe I'll get bored and do some research.