People keep saying that but I hardly ever see someone calling devs lazy or incompentent. People indeed are highly critical and suspicious concerning EA's motives but is that not justified? In fact it wouldn't surprise me if devs have shared a lot of the fans' frustrations. I still think that's where Grant's "things change" may have come from.

Funny in this respect how the same people who accuse others of bringing down the team, often slate their previous work in the very same breath. As if Sims 3 created itself, without the help of any dev.

Earlier I said 'ignorance is bliss', the Sims 2 trailer shows what I mean by that. A lot of what I see in there was copied to Sims 3. That never bothered me because I had never played Sims 2, but I do understand now what people mean when they say Sims 3 disappointed them at times.

In 1,2,3 I rushed out on release day to buy the things I wanted to buy. If I get this EP I will wait until it is half off, and from the past pattern that will be within a few weeks if not sooner. I have gotten most of what I have in 4 on sale. There is not the excitement in this game to have the things immediately. I will watch the reviews and read here, then decide even if to get it. But I won't shell out full price for it, that I am pretty sure.

At least TS3 offered those day-events and festivals, which was a new treat for the franchise. Not sure whether these Create-your-own-holiday thing end up being as a failure or as a success.

The trailer links were not meant to be directed at anybody. I'm just tired of looking at hacked up screenshots and green water in poorly edited TS3 pictures.

As for the rest of it...



https://twitter.com/SimGuruGraham/s...099304903581696



https://twitter.com/SimGuruGrant/st...789051196825602

Which is it, boys?

There are many reasons to be suspicious of EA. This is one of many....

I don't think the developers are lazy. I think they aren't capable of doing much because of not getting enough development time on everything they'd want to do. And perhaps managing their priorities badly.. dunno the details. Also, EA doesn't fund them well like they used to?
Oh and I wouldn't Say EA is lazy either. Ea's always working very hard to come up with new ways to suck the money from the consumers

Quoting these alongside the new one for comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn0...eature=youtu.be

Didn't think they were, it just struck me on a personal level (I'd never seen the trailers and am hardly familiar with Sims 2's weather).

I've always wondered if having such a big team on 3 was a case of too many cooks spoil the broth? Nothing seemed to work together for me and it felt like there was too much imagination and a lack of coordination. I remember ranting on the OF several times at the base game. I try to start 3 up still but still have 47 pages of stuff needing installation everytime that don't appear in my downloads folder. I stopped really enjoying it after the second expansion WA, which I loved. I just liked the building and terrain tools. I loved the fights in Sims2, especially if my Sim caught the burglar and beat him up before the police arrived.
Grant needs to be tough with his teams to stop this uncoordination sort of stuff happening again and maybe a smaller team will be better. I hope anyway. I play 4 now because I enjoy it, am always optimistic (we got 64bit) and the gradual issue of packs suit my pocket. I got myself a gaming (Omen) laptop and am loving the ultra play. I'm an "elderly" player though so don't mind me - just carry on.

Okey dokey.

Uh, playable sims can't beat up burglars unless they're a werewolf. Also, WA is the first expansion, unless you're referring to the order you installed it.

Too bad (doesn't seem like from the trailer) that sims can role skate outside of the rink. Would have been cool means of transportation.

Well maybe you're reading different threads from me Though I guess people are gradually learning what gets threads killed. As for EA's motives, it goes without saying so why bother to say it, knowing it just risks getting the thread killed (if you're on their forum, that is). It never makes much sense to me to slag off a company on their very own website lol.

What gets topics closed is people derailing it by changing the subject (whatever the subject is) into what simmers should or should not complain about. That's a frequent phenomenon because it apparently works.

For me the many cooks system worked perfectly and though it was a mess at times (bugs and I think for some reason they figured they had to rush things at times when they shouldn't have rushed), nothing actually spoiled. As for Sims 4: the moment I start enjoying it is yet to come. I was hoping Jungle Adventures would do the trick but nope. After a few hours of fun it collapsed like a house of cards. Back to, indeed, WA.

Ah yes, bitching about each other will get a topic locked, I thought we were talking about what gets them actually deleted. which was brought up a few posts up.

Sometimes topics are locked just because they figure 'everything has been said'. I can't really follow it at times tbh

jackjack. Need I say more?

I hesitate to give her full credit though because as I said, let's be real: every. single. time. the Sims 4 is lacking a feature, the go-to defense is "oh they left it out cause it caused lag, thanks Sims team!!"

That works in Sims 3, but did not in Sims 2; babies in Sims 2 are not selectable.

ETA: There are mods in Sims 2 to allow people other than cops and werewolves to fight burglars. In Sims 3, people with the "brave" trait may fight them, and there are probably mods to allow others to do so.

Yes, 'lag' is used like a magic wand that will explain everything away :P

I know, that's why I said "in Sims 3's case" Can't lose babies in Sims 4 though :D

I like this site. I like the people on it. But this is a prime example of why this site drives people away. What you think is your opinion and that is it. Calling everyone else wrong who does not think like you just alienates folks rather than convinces them of anything. Insulting everyone that they do not think and you are the only one that does solves nothing. I am sure I will get some disagrees, but I think many folks here are tired of the nonstop bashing of folks who do not agree with them.

Preach that. Not sure If I approve the hostility thing, but arguing with someone does really have that person in defense after a while get a moment to stop and think "Should I maybe consider listening to that person or/and open my mind what (s)he said". Heck, maybe even you get the moment to think about that other person (words) who joined in on the debate podium of the topic. Opening a critical skeptical remark does spark an influence for that huge mass of die hards to rethink whether they really should preorder and that act of preordering is/was really worth it. Who knows, maybe you might save someone's money before they regret it.

In most cases, no. People skills do not work that way generally. People just get irritated and move on in most cases. Alienating people with hostility hardly ever accomplishes anything. Some folks thrive on battles, but most do not.

Off Topic for a second....

Was watching a review for City Skylines new DLC pack this morning, when this popped up on Youtube....

I totally thought this was real at first.... and then the ending with the photo of teens...I realized not an EA thing....But very funny

https://youtu.be/8HC3WGazHIk

Good luck with that.

Making somebody defensive doesn't mean you win anything other than making the person defensive. If that is the sole purpose, the only thoughts you will get out of the person is more defensiveness. If this somehow equals accomplishment to some, okay.

As far as the sims community goes, we all know the catch phrases that are equal to 'shut up'. They're said so often that it is impossible for a person to not know what all them mean. Those people don't win anything either by the way. See my first sentence.

What we see and what we notice are two very different things. Starting with Sims 1 we had modders who got mad at the player base for buying the first expansion ever for the Sims. They ripped into players for ruining a good game and letting Maxis know that they could "rip off" players. Maken Magic was a shit storm of player on player hate and with those that wanted that expansion had hate thrown at them and the added goodness that we would burn in hell. Sims 2 with the first expansion had a world wide anger at EA and players who like it. The term sheep came in fashion during Sims 2 and Sims sites where made to deal with the hate for players who liked Sims 2 and Maxis EA. So on and so forth. The hate for players have been around for ever. They are very small part of the base. To put everyone in one box is silly.

Some of us are hugely disappointed with the Sims 4. That disappointment has nothing to do with you. Sims 4 is okay, it should have been great. My daughter bought Sims 4. My grandson thought it was boring, no horses and no cars to drive. I bought his the Dogs and Cats and he hated it. When staying at his house I played it and was sad at how empty it felt. It was not bad it just was not good. I was hoping that Sims 5 would go back to being great. To find it is a phone game broke my heart. That heart break has not one thing to do with you. What EA has done the few years with loot boxes and pay to play is bad. No other word for it. That is for EA not the ones buying it. Wrong is wrong.

I think many of us feel that way. If I had never played 1,2,3 I might like 4 more. But I did play them and so I see how shallow 4 is IMO in comparison. They have gone from "challenge everything" to meh. That is what I feel about the upcoming EP so far....... meh.